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And you're not Mozilla (which does want to communicate with laypeople) so...

obhmt 8y ago
If they wanted to communicate with laypeople they'd offer support over the channels laypeople expect support nowadays, namely Facebook. Instead they are going to choose some middle ground that will displease everybody; they will botch it, as they like to do. They are already working on botching it, since they've moved the Rust channel to a closed source alternative with no expectations of privacy: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/04/26/Mozilla-IRC-Sunset-and-the-Rust-Channel.html https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/04/26/Mozilla-IRC-Sunset-and...
- steveklabnik 8y ago
  Mozilla did not move the Rust channels. We did.
  - neiman 8y ago
    Are there really no good open source forum alternatives? -- asking for a friend :-)
    - steveklabnik 8y ago
      We already use an open source forum: discourse. If you mean real-time chat, in my personal opinion, Discord is the best choice. Zulip is good, if you can deal with it being a bit weird. The other options are fine, but not great. You may have different opinions than me personally.
      - naiveai 8y ago
        You mean the same Discord that's now majority-owned by Tencent, right?
        steveklabnik 8y ago
        I don’t know anything about their ownership, but I also don’t think you’re actually asking that question.
        naiveai 8y ago
        Sure, it may be a bad-faith question, but I think the point still stands. IRC, as an open communications protocol, will always, always, always be better than private companies with the potential to be controlled by anything. Richard Stallman would be rolling in his grave.
        bopbop 8y ago
        Christ, you scared me there. Stallman is not dead.
        naiveai 8y ago
        He's pretty old, I was making a statement about the future. Bit sloppy nevertheless.
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  - rmtgk 8y ago
    It's simply pathetic that the handlers of one of the most important parts of Mozilla unilaterally decided to move the community to a closed source service and Mozilla didn't have teeth to do anything about it.
    - steveklabnik 8y ago
      If Mozilla were able to do that, people would be upset by a company controlling open source. You can’t have it both ways.

If they wanted to communicate with laypeople they'd offer support over the channels laypeople expect support nowadays, namely Facebook. Instead they are going to choose some middle ground that will displease everybody; they will botch it, as they like to do. They are already working on botching it, since they've moved the Rust channel to a closed source alternative with no expectations of privacy: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/04/26/Mozilla-IRC-Sunset-and-the-Rust-Channel.html https://blog.rust-lang.org/2019/04/26/Mozilla-IRC-Sunset-and...

steveklabnik 8y ago
Mozilla did not move the Rust channels. We did.
- neiman 8y ago
  Are there really no good open source forum alternatives? -- asking for a friend :-)
  - steveklabnik 8y ago
    We already use an open source forum: discourse. If you mean real-time chat, in my personal opinion, Discord is the best choice. Zulip is good, if you can deal with it being a bit weird. The other options are fine, but not great. You may have different opinions than me personally.
    - naiveai 8y ago
      You mean the same Discord that's now majority-owned by Tencent, right?
      - steveklabnik 8y ago
        I don’t know anything about their ownership, but I also don’t think you’re actually asking that question.
        naiveai 8y ago
        Sure, it may be a bad-faith question, but I think the point still stands. IRC, as an open communications protocol, will always, always, always be better than private companies with the potential to be controlled by anything. Richard Stallman would be rolling in his grave.
        bopbop 8y ago
        Christ, you scared me there. Stallman is not dead.
        naiveai 8y ago
        He's pretty old, I was making a statement about the future. Bit sloppy nevertheless.
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- rmtgk 8y ago
  It's simply pathetic that the handlers of one of the most important parts of Mozilla unilaterally decided to move the community to a closed source service and Mozilla didn't have teeth to do anything about it.
  - steveklabnik 8y ago
    If Mozilla were able to do that, people would be upset by a company controlling open source. You can’t have it both ways.