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Air polution is known to kill millions of people every year. And not just in India. Cities like Paris and London are mess. Nobody gives a shit.

mrtksn 7y ago
This is both irrelevant and wrong. It’s wrong because people do give a shit and these cities are trying to come up with a solution like limiting or completely banning certain pollutants like cars or burning coal etc. The air quality is constantly monitored since years and EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. It’s irrelevant because even if people didn’t given a shit about pollution , wouldn’t mean that they should not give shit to other risks.
- aries1980 7y ago
  > EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. True, but yet, noone cares: - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reaches-legal-air-pollution-limit-just-one-month-into-the-new-year https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reach... - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-housing-approved-in-area-with-illegal-pollution-levels-lewisham https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-h... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 You can point to the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), which means you can't drive in to very central London (where most people work, but almost noone actually lives there) with a petrol car or van that is older than 13 years. Doesn't sound ultra low to me, compared to hybrids have been produced for more than a decade and electric cars are available to the mainstream. And even this very low bar is enforced to the very inner boroughs only. The 50 years old diesel trains that are running its per-carriage engines at the platform when idle, are an exception of course. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ways-to-meet-the-standard https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/way...
  - mrtksn 7y ago
    I don't get how do you reach the "No one cares" conclusion.
    - aries1980 7y ago
      I meant it has been happening since the EU-wide regulation came out. London reaches the critical yearly level at the first weeks of January and only cosmetic changes have been applied. E.g. a 20-year-old, rusty diesel truck, that makes ~£500/day gets away with £12.5 fee instead of ban from Greater London. The actual polluters won't invest in newer vehicles, because the lease is more expensive than just £12.5 per day.

mrtksn 7y ago

This is both irrelevant and wrong. It’s wrong because people do give a shit and these cities are trying to come up with a solution like limiting or completely banning certain pollutants like cars or burning coal etc. The air quality is constantly monitored since years and EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. It’s irrelevant because even if people didn’t given a shit about pollution , wouldn’t mean that they should not give shit to other risks.

aries1980 7y ago
> EU country’s have implemented quite strict environmental policies. True, but yet, noone cares: - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reaches-legal-air-pollution-limit-just-one-month-into-the-new-year https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/london-reach... - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-housing-approved-in-area-with-illegal-pollution-levels-lewisham https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/12/london-h... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44612642 You can point to the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), which means you can't drive in to very central London (where most people work, but almost noone actually lives there) with a petrol car or van that is older than 13 years. Doesn't sound ultra low to me, compared to hybrids have been produced for more than a decade and electric cars are available to the mainstream. And even this very low bar is enforced to the very inner boroughs only. The 50 years old diesel trains that are running its per-carriage engines at the platform when idle, are an exception of course. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/ways-to-meet-the-standard https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/way...
- mrtksn 7y ago
  I don't get how do you reach the "No one cares" conclusion.
  - aries1980 7y ago
    I meant it has been happening since the EU-wide regulation came out. London reaches the critical yearly level at the first weeks of January and only cosmetic changes have been applied. E.g. a 20-year-old, rusty diesel truck, that makes ~£500/day gets away with £12.5 fee instead of ban from Greater London. The actual polluters won't invest in newer vehicles, because the lease is more expensive than just £12.5 per day.