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Spam can be difficult to stop on IRC compared to modern webchat applications. From lacking things like javascript, captchas, cdns, and so on, to having a distri

by ve55 7y ago

Spam can be difficult to stop on IRC compared to modern webchat applications. From lacking things like javascript, captchas, cdns, and so on, to having a distributed network architecture and fewer ways to verify users.

josteink 7y ago
> From lacking things like javascript, captchas, cdns, and so on In what way are any of these technologies relevant for a chat platform?
joepie91_ 7y ago
> having a distributed network architecture and fewer ways to verify users You have exactly as many ways to verify users as are implemented in your NickServ, and pretty much every snazzy web-y proprietary chat platform has a "distributed network architecture" as well. IRC has plenty of real problems, but your particular list of arguments seems completely irrelevant.
- xena 7y ago
  NickServ is not typically required for IRC usage.
  - varjag 7y ago
    If your network is large enough to have spam and identity issues, you have nickserv.
- TheRealPomax 7y ago
  NickServ is not part of IRC. It's just a bot that people wrote to overcome one of the key shortcomings of IRC, and is used at the discretion of individual server administrators. IRC itself has literally no way to verify users, and more importantly no _opinion_ on how you should verify them. Sure, people have written bots/services that have become part of some server packages' standing offering (chanserv, nickserv, opserv, etc.) but there's no spec for them, every server's implemention has (sometimes wildly) different command sets, and as effectively text-scroll CLI, they don't actually make things all that much easier. They're a chore to use. And I say that as an IRCop. IRC as a platform is insufficient in today's world, so if you're going to spend a lot of time either finding -- or more likely, making -- services to take care of all the administrative tasks that IRC itself does not cover, you might as well just go one step further and go "you know what? IRC isn't sacred, if we're spending time and money on trying to make it usable in 2019, then how we instead spend that same time and money on finding a good solution to the problem we're having, rather than sticking with IRC for no good reason".
Samis2001 7y ago
....JavaScript?

by ve55 7y ago

josteink 7y ago

> From lacking things like javascript, captchas, cdns, and so on In what way are any of these technologies relevant for a chat platform?

joepie91_ 7y ago

> having a distributed network architecture and fewer ways to verify users You have exactly as many ways to verify users as are implemented in your NickServ, and pretty much every snazzy web-y proprietary chat platform has a "distributed network architecture" as well. IRC has plenty of real problems, but your particular list of arguments seems completely irrelevant.

xena 7y ago
NickServ is not typically required for IRC usage.
- varjag 7y ago
  If your network is large enough to have spam and identity issues, you have nickserv.
TheRealPomax 7y ago
NickServ is not part of IRC. It's just a bot that people wrote to overcome one of the key shortcomings of IRC, and is used at the discretion of individual server administrators. IRC itself has literally no way to verify users, and more importantly no _opinion_ on how you should verify them. Sure, people have written bots/services that have become part of some server packages' standing offering (chanserv, nickserv, opserv, etc.) but there's no spec for them, every server's implemention has (sometimes wildly) different command sets, and as effectively text-scroll CLI, they don't actually make things all that much easier. They're a chore to use. And I say that as an IRCop. IRC as a platform is insufficient in today's world, so if you're going to spend a lot of time either finding -- or more likely, making -- services to take care of all the administrative tasks that IRC itself does not cover, you might as well just go one step further and go "you know what? IRC isn't sacred, if we're spending time and money on trying to make it usable in 2019, then how we instead spend that same time and money on finding a good solution to the problem we're having, rather than sticking with IRC for no good reason".

Samis2001 7y ago

....JavaScript?