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AeroFS - Unlimited P2P File Sync
- ch 16y agoAccording to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size#Asymmetric_algorithm_key_lengths http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size#Asymmetric_algorithm_k..., their choice in using 1024 bit keys might be a bit short-sighted.
- yurisagalov 16y agowell this is an unexpected but pleasant surprise :) I suppose this is a good opportunity to let you guys know that the project IS very much alive and kicking still, and we've just released a new set of invites today (which I suppose is why we got posted to HN today, thanks!) We've been very busy with coding and work, which is why we haven't really been updating the blog, but if you have any questions I'll be happy to continue answering them here edit: FYI, the original discussion is at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1538731 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1538731
- brunoqc 16y agoIs there a offline mode only? If I have a laptop and a desktop and I want them to be in sync but only when I'm at home so I don't 3G or my friend's bandwidth.
- yurisagalov 16y agoWe do support LAN-only sync (i.e. on an isolated ad-hoc network), which is what I think you're asking for :)
- timdorr 16y agoDo you support automatic versioning like Dropbox does? Can we set up our own "cloud" server? I assume that would be as simple as getting a server somewhere and running the software on it. Related: Do you have a CLI alongside the GUI?
- illumin8 16y agoTo me, the cloud server is the biggest feature. I'm one of your alpha users and while I am impressed with the potential of the project, Ubuntu is not really a server OS. I would love to be able to throw it on a Red Hat box I have in the data center and have my own private cloud.
- dotBen 16y agoWell to follow that thought, I actually do run Ubuntu in the datacenter (we'll have to debate that one another time) but last time I checked the Ubuntu package for AeroFS was GTK/some other UI based package and I couldn't see any command line mechanisms in the package to let me manage things on server. Would love to see that tided up because then this becomes a mechanism for distributing files to the cluster super easy for my "normal end users", plus the cloud benefits illumin8 is referring to.
- yurisagalov 16y agowe don't support versioning in the sense of rolling back to an older version (yet). This is on our to do list. We do internal versioning for the purposes of conflict resolution though. You can definitely setup your own "cloud" server just by running the software, but we don't have a CLI just yet. This is fairly high on the to do list though, as there's been a lot of interest in that feature!
- groby_b 16y agoI know a blog seems low priority, but it'd probably be good to do at least some kind of occasional "We are alive!" update. I checked out the project, saw "July 22" and automatically assumed it's yet another dead project. Glad to hear it's being worked on!
- yurisagalov 16y agoAgreed. We've been incredibly focused on the code and working with the early alpha users, so we've been neglecting the blog and our social media presence. We're working on fixing that.
- vietor 16y agoIs this simple file sync service or a full distributed filesystem implementation? EDIT: To be clear, I didn't mean 'simple' as in easy to implement or trivial or any other negative sense. But more in a functional goal sense, like 'uncomplicated'.
- yurisagalov 16y agoIt's a fully distributed filesystem implementation.
- vietor 16y agoI asked because it wasn't clear form the website. The tagline says file sync, what details there were said distributed filesystem. So, for example, the total data stored and accessible in the system can exceed the local storage size of any individual participating node? What's the performance like? (A sync service will be as fast, or slow, as local storage, but a distributed system can be a lot faster, or slower.) How are you handling it when nodes which were previously added to the system are unavailable? For example, a user with a desktop and a laptop who stores a pile of data on the system, what happens when the desktop is off? Do you have control over what data is available on the laptop, and what happens when you try and access data which is currently unavailable?
- weihan 16y agoTo echo your update on the original question: while AeroFS is a distributed filesystem with quite complicated mechanisms underneath, we work very hard to make AeroFS dead simple to use. Following this philosophy, we've implemented the features that you mentioned but they're currently disabled/hidden for the sake of simplicity. Regarding offline computers: if the only computers that host a file are offline, the file data will be unavailable. Currently, offline files are invisible in Finder/Explorer/etc. Because the current system only supports full replication, having offline files should be a rare case. Regarding performance: it's crucial to us. Lots of efforts has been made (and even more to be made) to ensure the filesystem has comparable performance to local storage; sync performance is another area that we invest a lot of time in.
- jamesaguilar 16y agoSo sad that I missed this phase of invites, as this is something I've been looking for. A dropbox replacement, in filesystem, that has unlimited size. What could be better?
- StavrosK 16y agoI signed up for your beta a year ago, I even chatted with you and begged you for one but I still haven't gotten my invite :(
- yurisagalov 16y agoMy sincere apologies, we've been releasing invites at a slower pace in order to give us some time to solve some pressing bugs. Invites should start coming out quicker now :)
- buster 16y agoSo far i must say that aerofs provides some features i'm missing elsewhere. Most importantly the possibility to have some directories synced with the cloud and some only on LAN/private. Aerofs/Yuri have been very responsive and friendly on mail support, i like that a lot! Thanks guys, and keep up the good work! Yuri, what i am missing is some way to mark a directory to sync with the cloud. Usecase: I have some Windows directories in c:\users\xxx\ that i'd like to keep in sync. Obviously i can't link them to the aerofs-drive.. And now, to the 64bit linux version.. ;)
- Ixiaus 16y agoSSH and rsync? Or even better, use hg/bzr/git to maintain a version history of the files and then just sync across devices (it's uber easy with Mercurial, not sure about the other two). I personally use the latter (Mercurial).
- nuclear_eclipse 16y agoAt that point, why not use SparkleShare to simplify it? Either way, hg/git/bzr don't work for a lot of cases, because they are extremely inefficient for synchronizing large files, such as music, photos, video, etc.
- dabeeeenster 16y agoMaybe because SparkleShare hasn't even been released yet?
- Ixiaus 16y agoTrue RE: large files that don't really need to be versioned. I use a mix of shell scripts that manage rsync'ing large files and mercurial for anything that isn't binary.
- rmc 16y agoOr use unison, which is similar to rsync, but works 'both ways'
- carterschonwald 16y agounison is quite nice, but it does require being both sides, which can be problematic sometimes.
- rmc 16y agoAnother annoyance with unison is that you must have the same version of unison on both hosts. It's a pain if you have (say) 2 different releases of ubuntu.
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- nuclear_eclipse 16y agoThis is still in invite-only phase, and while I do have an account, I'm not actively using it yet for my primary files because there are still some features it lacks over Dropbox, namely: * can't choose where local files are cached, it assumes where you want them * no way to back up more than 1G to their "cloud", ie, no paid plans yet, which I would really like to have at least for my most unreplaceable files * no way to share individual directories with other users, you must share entire "libraries" as they call them, which are basically top-level folders on your aerofs drive * no way to make files publicly available for download Other than those points, I think the service is a fantastic idea, and I do eagerly look forward to being able to switch from Dropbox for my photos, documents, etc. However, the above limitations mean that I can really only use it for a few extra things that I don't have room for on my Dropbox account, eg, music.
- weihan 16y agoactually all of them are on our todo list--three of the four are already implemented but yet to be exposed to the user :)
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- evo_9 16y agoInteresting/cool product. One thing that threw me off - the term 'Aero' (for me) implied Windows only... No real easy solution there as I don't expect (or even think you need) to change the name, but maybe adding something like 'cross-platforming file sync without servers'. Awesome none-the-less though!
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- grok2 16y agoIs my disk space on used to store data for others in the p2p network?
- yurisagalov 16y agonot unless you've explicitly invited those people to share/collaborate on files with you!
- phlux 16y agoWhat will your TOS be - what if something like a Wikileaks mirror is done across your system?
- trotsky 16y agohttp://www.aerofs.com/tos.html http://www.aerofs.com/tos.html they are certainly covered if they wanted to prevent it.
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- Sephr 16y agoHow is this different from Wuala?
- huhtenberg 16y agoI am guessing it's different by giving you full control over whom you are sharing your disk space with. And, perhaps, by having less blurred focus as an app in general and not trying to be social disk/file collaboration sharing/discovery/you-name-it everything like Wuala did.
- TheAmazingIdiot 16y agoI love the top image. Check out the file "How to earn HN karma" I think you found out :)
- rb2k_ 16y agoI remember talking to one of the devs some months ago when first signing up. Fun guy, great product. It's a shame that I never got an invite, can't wait to get my hands on this :)
- trotsky 16y agoeven behind your pesky office firewall Curious - can you sync between two such locations (nat/default deny/no udp)? i.e. will you bounce connections through your host or does one side have to open an inbound port?
- trotsky 16y agoIt would seem perhaps that our impressions of "pesky office firewalls" are a bit different :( http://www.aerofs.com:8080/signup http://www.aerofs.com:8080/signup Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.aerofs.com:8080
- mgunes 16y agoHow will you be licensing and pricing it once it reaches 1.0? Any plans for making it available under a free software license, dual or otherwise? I know quite a few people who'd be inclined to pay for and contribute to a solution of the kind you provide and Dropbox and Ubuntu One don't (very decentralized, secure, fast, works local-only) with the condition that it's free-as-in-freedom.
- davidu 16y agoI've been waiting for someone to create this. Since libTorrent was released, I figured someone would do something like this. No idea if Aero is using libTorrent, but the idea was a natural evolution. This looks well executed, thanks. Can't wait to see the next steps.
- palewery 16y agoI hate to say it but I would use this if my peers were just my Facebook friends. not that I don't trust 1024 bit encryption, I just don't like my info on strangers boxes even thought it is encrypted
- alnayyir 16y agoIs there a way I can use this to replace Unison, which I lean heavily on but am unhappy with? http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
- urza 16y agoI've been using Wuala for last 2 years, and I am very happy.. I sotre there all my important data.. private documents, projects and stuff I want to share.. all my data is encypted and reduntantly stored in the web and peers, atomatic sync, sharing, p2p.. its even better than dropbox because I can trade space so I have about 10 GB for free and my data si truly encrypted so even the provider cant acces them. http://www.wuala.com/en/learn/features http://www.wuala.com/en/learn/features