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Roger Stone had posted multiple videos of him at a shooting range so its reasonable for them to assume he was in the possession of firearms.

byset 7y ago
so anyone who has been at a shooting range needs to be raided by a SWAT team when arrested for white-collar crimes?
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  The thing about a heavily armed society is that it necessitates law enforcement preparing for armed resistance in routine tasks as a default rather than exceptional case, if nothing else to reduce the probability of such resistance by reducing the expectation of it being successful. You can't reasonably both have a pervasively armed populace and law enforcement unprepared to deal with armed resistance from suspects even when the crime of which they are suspected is not itself violent.
  - Joakal 7y ago
    This is a different one: > As a “Lawman” crew filmed the raid Monday, deputies serving a search warrant blew out the suspect’s windows and leveled his gate, frightening neighbors. Jesus Llovera, who was convicted last year of attending a cockfight but has no record of owning weapons, was arrested on charges of suspected cockfighting, Phoenix TV station KPHO reported. He was unarmed. > Steven Seagal, Arizona Sheriff Use Tank to Bust Up Cockfighting for A&E Show (Update) https://www.thewrap.com/steven-seagal-arizona-sheriff-use-tank-bust-cockfighting-ae-show-update-25794/ https://www.thewrap.com/steven-seagal-arizona-sheriff-use-ta...
  - kyrieeschaton 7y ago
    SWAT raids are a terrible way to get the drop on anyone who is actually intending on armed resistance. They are on the other hand an excellent way to make sure that "accidents" happen, as they routinely do. They are an obvious terror tactic.
drak0n1c 7y ago
Possessing a firearm and handling it responsibly should not be justification for a massive pre-dawn raid. Especially when the target has no violent record, worked at and later cooperated with multiple federal agencies, and was a regular guest of the White House for decades without incident. There was no evidence that the officers making the arrest would be at inordinate risk.
- VectorLock 7y ago
  If I was an FBI agent tasked with apprehending a suspect and I knew that the suspect had access to firearms and had "predicted" violent insurrection I would likely have taken the same precautions they did.
kyrieeschaton 7y ago
When you're approaching someone who is armed, it's generally considered unsafe to surprise them in such a way it's impossible for them to know who you are and threaten their life.

byset 7y ago

so anyone who has been at a shooting range needs to be raided by a SWAT team when arrested for white-collar crimes?

dragonwriter 7y ago
The thing about a heavily armed society is that it necessitates law enforcement preparing for armed resistance in routine tasks as a default rather than exceptional case, if nothing else to reduce the probability of such resistance by reducing the expectation of it being successful. You can't reasonably both have a pervasively armed populace and law enforcement unprepared to deal with armed resistance from suspects even when the crime of which they are suspected is not itself violent.
- Joakal 7y ago
  This is a different one: > As a “Lawman” crew filmed the raid Monday, deputies serving a search warrant blew out the suspect’s windows and leveled his gate, frightening neighbors. Jesus Llovera, who was convicted last year of attending a cockfight but has no record of owning weapons, was arrested on charges of suspected cockfighting, Phoenix TV station KPHO reported. He was unarmed. > Steven Seagal, Arizona Sheriff Use Tank to Bust Up Cockfighting for A&E Show (Update) https://www.thewrap.com/steven-seagal-arizona-sheriff-use-tank-bust-cockfighting-ae-show-update-25794/ https://www.thewrap.com/steven-seagal-arizona-sheriff-use-ta...
- kyrieeschaton 7y ago
  SWAT raids are a terrible way to get the drop on anyone who is actually intending on armed resistance. They are on the other hand an excellent way to make sure that "accidents" happen, as they routinely do. They are an obvious terror tactic.

drak0n1c 7y ago

Possessing a firearm and handling it responsibly should not be justification for a massive pre-dawn raid. Especially when the target has no violent record, worked at and later cooperated with multiple federal agencies, and was a regular guest of the White House for decades without incident. There was no evidence that the officers making the arrest would be at inordinate risk.

VectorLock 7y ago
If I was an FBI agent tasked with apprehending a suspect and I knew that the suspect had access to firearms and had "predicted" violent insurrection I would likely have taken the same precautions they did.

kyrieeschaton 7y ago

When you're approaching someone who is armed, it's generally considered unsafe to surprise them in such a way it's impossible for them to know who you are and threaten their life.