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> Image recognition, natural language processing, self piloted vehicles Obviously none of these are AI and I don't see how you're helping anything by insinuati

by drb91 7y ago

> Image recognition, natural language processing, self piloted vehicles Obviously none of these are AI and I don't see how you're helping anything by insinuating they are.

dictum 7y ago
Effective policymaking takes into account both the precise technical terminology and the real-world usage of a concept. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to tackle any issue for which popular usage doesn't take into account technical nuance, leaving those fields in a lawless limbo.
- drb91 7y ago
  Sure, just make it illegal to say you're selling AI technology. Problem solved. I'm absolutely fine with the use of the term in the context of regulating its abuse. Real-world usage would imply people use it in a meaningful way. I have yet to see any evidence of this.
IanCal 7y ago
These absolutely are AI as far as the term has been used for a significant amount of time. There is no value in trying to redefine it after, what, 70 years?
- drb91 7y ago
  > There is no value in trying to redefine it after, what, 70 years? That implies any meaningful definition to begin with. That is entirely an illusion and people are using this to mislead investors (not that I'll ever shed a tear for them).
  - IanCal 7y ago
    People absolutely use it usefully, that it can be used as marketing fluff is a far more recent thing. If it's never been used usefully and isn't now, there's no point arguing about it because that war has been lost and if it has been used usefully redefining it makes no sense. Arguing about definitions is easily one of the least relevant parts of any discussion so I'll leave it here. I just wish AI topics didn't always have someone say it wasn't "real AI".
    - drb91 7y ago
      > Arguing about definitions is easily one of the least relevant parts of any discussion Ahh silicon valley, never change, this comedy can't be bought. I hope the linguistic turn hits you on the ass on the way down.
      - IanCal 7y ago
        I'm not really sure what it is you expect to bite me about using a term as almost everyone else has and continues to use it.
        drb91 7y ago
        Self respect, I guess.
pixl97 7y ago
And this folks, is the AI Effect in practice.
- drb91 7y ago
  Hey, at least I don't sell snake oil.
  - aricblunk 7y ago
    Are you sure you aren't conflating AGI with AI? If not, could you define AI?
    - drb91 7y ago
      AI is “do you wish you had a slave”. I can’t think of any other definition that fits all the use cases. It’s also more obvious why it’s a snake oil term: slaves are people you can communicate meaningfully with in both directions.

by drb91 7y ago

> Image recognition, natural language processing, self piloted vehicles Obviously none of these are AI and I don't see how you're helping anything by insinuating they are.

dictum 7y ago

Effective policymaking takes into account both the precise technical terminology and the real-world usage of a concept. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to tackle any issue for which popular usage doesn't take into account technical nuance, leaving those fields in a lawless limbo.

drb91 7y ago
Sure, just make it illegal to say you're selling AI technology. Problem solved. I'm absolutely fine with the use of the term in the context of regulating its abuse. Real-world usage would imply people use it in a meaningful way. I have yet to see any evidence of this.

IanCal 7y ago

These absolutely are AI as far as the term has been used for a significant amount of time. There is no value in trying to redefine it after, what, 70 years?

drb91 7y ago
> There is no value in trying to redefine it after, what, 70 years? That implies any meaningful definition to begin with. That is entirely an illusion and people are using this to mislead investors (not that I'll ever shed a tear for them).
- IanCal 7y ago
  People absolutely use it usefully, that it can be used as marketing fluff is a far more recent thing. If it's never been used usefully and isn't now, there's no point arguing about it because that war has been lost and if it has been used usefully redefining it makes no sense. Arguing about definitions is easily one of the least relevant parts of any discussion so I'll leave it here. I just wish AI topics didn't always have someone say it wasn't "real AI".
  - drb91 7y ago
    > Arguing about definitions is easily one of the least relevant parts of any discussion Ahh silicon valley, never change, this comedy can't be bought. I hope the linguistic turn hits you on the ass on the way down.
    - IanCal 7y ago
      I'm not really sure what it is you expect to bite me about using a term as almost everyone else has and continues to use it.
      - drb91 7y ago
        Self respect, I guess.

pixl97 7y ago

And this folks, is the AI Effect in practice.

drb91 7y ago
Hey, at least I don't sell snake oil.
- aricblunk 7y ago
  Are you sure you aren't conflating AGI with AI? If not, could you define AI?
  - drb91 7y ago
    AI is “do you wish you had a slave”. I can’t think of any other definition that fits all the use cases. It’s also more obvious why it’s a snake oil term: slaves are people you can communicate meaningfully with in both directions.