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So will you fix OP's problem then, prlambert?

craftinator 8y ago
If you downvote, please reply and explain your position. I simply asked if this Gmail PM is going to fix the problem with Gmail in the comments about that problem. So who is upset with my comment and WHY.
- Operyl 8y ago
  Potentially because you came off a bit aggressive, and because he already explained[0] that they had an analyst looking into this. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19759411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19759411
- dahart 8y ago
  Apologies for unsolicited advice, but since you’re newish... Downvotes don’t mean anyone’s upset, there’s a large variety of reasons people downvote. Same is true of upvotes, there are lots of different reasons for them. Try not to take either personally. Downvotes don’t require explanation, just like upvotes don’t require explanation. It’s a great idea to be curious and seek ways to avoid downvotes, always good to assume you might be wrong. Less so to demand you were right, even if you are. :) Also be aware that HN guidelines suggest avoiding complaining about votes you get, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hope that helps, cheers!
  - arendtio 8y ago
    While I know those guidelines, I still hate it when people get downvoted and there is not a single response (unless the comment obviously offends the guidelines). I mean, especially because people are voting for various reasons you can't even be sure that you broke the rules when you get downvoted and if the person has no clue what is wrong with his comment he doesn't know what to change. So thank you for explaining the situation to craftinator :-)
  - craftinator 8y ago
    Thank you for the advice! I've always seen HN as a great platform for thoughtful discussion. I don't see downvoting a comment that doesn't have any replies yet as a way to participate in that discussion. I was genuinely curious what view point a person could have to not find my comment beneficial to the discussion. I'll try to make these queries a bit less complaint-sounding in the future! Thanks again!
    - dahart 8y ago
      Great to hear the positive response! FWIW, initially on HN I felt pretty frustrated with what I called ‘drive-by downvotes’ with no explanation, and also just generally upset when I’d get downvoted. That’s partly because it didn’t happen that often, so it felt more serious when it did. And sometimes it feels unfair, for sure, especially when I don’t know why and it doesn’t seem warranted to me. But over the years, I’ve become more okay with the vagueness and uncertainty that comes with it. The votes are communicating something, so I try to assume I did something wrong and just maybe don’t get what it is yet. But you never know other people’s interpretations of your words, or their moods or mental states either, so sometimes I just have to let it roll off. It’s fascinating to see something I write get misinterpreted after I thought I was really clear. And I don’t see this happen that often, but because votes are used to rank the comments, sometimes people are just moving the interesting discussions up and the less interesting ones down, so there might even be nothing at all disagreeable with a comment, it’s just that there are other really good discussions nearby. Believe it or not, I actually don’t ever downvote because it bothered me to get them myself, I just ignore threads I don’t want to read and upvote threads that are interesting. I usually upvote people who reply to me as thanks for taking the time to read & reply to me, especially when they disagree with me, so that’s an example of using votes for something other than liking or agreeing or ranking. Anyway, HN does have some pretty thoughtful discussion even with the occasional downvotes, so just seek out the good stuff!
- blago 8y ago
  I believe people are frowning upon what seems like an open confrontation.

If you downvote, please reply and explain your position. I simply asked if this Gmail PM is going to fix the problem with Gmail in the comments about that problem. So who is upset with my comment and WHY.

Operyl 8y ago
Potentially because you came off a bit aggressive, and because he already explained[0] that they had an analyst looking into this. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19759411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19759411
dahart 8y ago
Apologies for unsolicited advice, but since you’re newish... Downvotes don’t mean anyone’s upset, there’s a large variety of reasons people downvote. Same is true of upvotes, there are lots of different reasons for them. Try not to take either personally. Downvotes don’t require explanation, just like upvotes don’t require explanation. It’s a great idea to be curious and seek ways to avoid downvotes, always good to assume you might be wrong. Less so to demand you were right, even if you are. :) Also be aware that HN guidelines suggest avoiding complaining about votes you get, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Hope that helps, cheers!
- arendtio 8y ago
  While I know those guidelines, I still hate it when people get downvoted and there is not a single response (unless the comment obviously offends the guidelines). I mean, especially because people are voting for various reasons you can't even be sure that you broke the rules when you get downvoted and if the person has no clue what is wrong with his comment he doesn't know what to change. So thank you for explaining the situation to craftinator :-)
- craftinator 8y ago
  Thank you for the advice! I've always seen HN as a great platform for thoughtful discussion. I don't see downvoting a comment that doesn't have any replies yet as a way to participate in that discussion. I was genuinely curious what view point a person could have to not find my comment beneficial to the discussion. I'll try to make these queries a bit less complaint-sounding in the future! Thanks again!
  - dahart 8y ago
    Great to hear the positive response! FWIW, initially on HN I felt pretty frustrated with what I called ‘drive-by downvotes’ with no explanation, and also just generally upset when I’d get downvoted. That’s partly because it didn’t happen that often, so it felt more serious when it did. And sometimes it feels unfair, for sure, especially when I don’t know why and it doesn’t seem warranted to me. But over the years, I’ve become more okay with the vagueness and uncertainty that comes with it. The votes are communicating something, so I try to assume I did something wrong and just maybe don’t get what it is yet. But you never know other people’s interpretations of your words, or their moods or mental states either, so sometimes I just have to let it roll off. It’s fascinating to see something I write get misinterpreted after I thought I was really clear. And I don’t see this happen that often, but because votes are used to rank the comments, sometimes people are just moving the interesting discussions up and the less interesting ones down, so there might even be nothing at all disagreeable with a comment, it’s just that there are other really good discussions nearby. Believe it or not, I actually don’t ever downvote because it bothered me to get them myself, I just ignore threads I don’t want to read and upvote threads that are interesting. I usually upvote people who reply to me as thanks for taking the time to read & reply to me, especially when they disagree with me, so that’s an example of using votes for something other than liking or agreeing or ranking. Anyway, HN does have some pretty thoughtful discussion even with the occasional downvotes, so just seek out the good stuff!
blago 8y ago
I believe people are frowning upon what seems like an open confrontation.