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Thanks for resurrecting this post! I also appreciate the clear guidance that "a substantive article with a slightly baity title is not one that should be flagg
by nkurz 8y ago
Thanks for resurrecting this post! I also appreciate the clear guidance that "a substantive article with a slightly baity title is not one that should be flagged". Maybe this could be added to the https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html?
I'm not sure, though, that it makes sense to focus on the idea that it was a "mistake" to flag this article. I think flagging is currently one of the weakest areas of the HN moderation system, in that it allows a minority to suppress discussion of otherwise good articles that they disagree with. Clearer guidelines can help, but I think you should also think hard about how the system can be changed to be more resilient to "mistakes".
Maybe flagging of articles with some minimum number of upvotes should act only as a "request for moderator review" rather than having any immediate visible effect?
Maybe there could be a way (either mandatory or optional) to explain why an article was flagged? I presume it would be easier to review a flag that says "Bad title, should be X" than just an opaque and universal flag.
Maybe there could be some better feedback for users who flag articles, to tell them if they are flagging articles "correctly"? As it is, I presume a lot of people persist in doing what they think is best, even if you think they are using the system incorrectly.
It's great that thanks to good moderation HN is still going strong after all these years. Obviously you are doing many things right! But I strongly feel that current flagging system needs to be rethought for this success to continue. Explanatory comments like the one you made here are helpful, but I think some deeper changes will also be necessary.
- dang 8y agoOk I took out "That was a mistake." Fair point. Also, I looked at the history of the users who flagged it, and none of them had a history of flagging obviously good articles. I don't know if the flagging system needs rethinking though. The way it works has been stable for years. I appreciate that such claims are a bit irritating, because they're based on a view of the site that not everybody gets to see. But the [flagged] marker is publicly visible, and if you or anyone sees an article in [flagged] state that ought not to be flagged—say, one whose signal/noise ratio is as high as the OP or better—then please tell us (hn@ycombinator.com is best, because that way we're sure to see it). You especially, because we know how much and how sincerely and for how long you have cared about open discussion on this site.