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The conclusion is contrary to the evidence presented. > companies untouched by scandal — including Microsoft — > prospered in the eyes of consumers Except tha

The conclusion is contrary to the evidence presented. > companies untouched by scandal — including Microsoft — > prospered in the eyes of consumers Except that Amazon, which has gotten a bit of a black eye later (HQ2 + worker treatment + antitrust), has stayed steady near the very top of the cited poll. Apple, which has had few such problems, has sunk from near the top to #32. When you only have eight samples to begin with, and two strongly contradict your theory, your theory sucks. Microsoft in particular is doing relatively well for a variety of reasons, but not because of this one.

Funes- 8y ago
>Microsoft in particular is doing relatively well for a variety of reasons, but not because of this one. Why exactly wouldn't Microsoft's newfound good reputation be included among those reasons? Your rebuttal would be just as unfounded as the theory you are dismissing. Perhaps it's not as determinant a factor as the author makes it out to be, but discarding it altogether doesn't look reasonable to me.
- notacoward 8y ago
  > Your rebuttal would be just as unfounded as the theory you are dismissing. True enough, but that doesn't validate the higher-profile original either. Seems a bit "well actually" TBH.
  - Funes- 8y ago
    >that doesn't validate the higher-profile original either. You're right, it doesn't. I never said that, either. >Seems a bit "well actually" TBH I'm sorry if it came across that way, really. I like to be as precise as I can with everything I say, so it just came out that way naturally. Actually, one of the first replies I got here (not too long ago) was a similar kind of comment to the one we are discussing now. At first, my reaction was negative, as in "this guy is just trying to one-up me by nitpicking my comment"; then, I realized it was an opportunity to start to make myself as clear as possible whenever I wrote any other comments. Anyhow, I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
levesque 8y ago
I agree that they completely ignore Amazon which has a similar curve to Microsoft, except higher in ranking.
endorphone 8y ago
Having Amazon topping that chart and then dutifully ignored as a narrative was spun makes the whole thing dubious. The rankings themselves seem a bit ridiculous and wholly unrelated to really anything at all. Not only has Apple had no such problems, in similar polls they rank at or near #1 year after year.
jeromebaek 8y ago
> ... while those companies most heavily affected by privacy-related scandals faced the steepest erosion in trust. Amazon hasn't been involved in any large privacy-related scandals.
- fishywang 8y ago
  large scale human access to (and accessed) ring (after it's acquired by Amazon) video footage doesn't count?

Funes- 8y ago

>Microsoft in particular is doing relatively well for a variety of reasons, but not because of this one. Why exactly wouldn't Microsoft's newfound good reputation be included among those reasons? Your rebuttal would be just as unfounded as the theory you are dismissing. Perhaps it's not as determinant a factor as the author makes it out to be, but discarding it altogether doesn't look reasonable to me.

notacoward 8y ago
> Your rebuttal would be just as unfounded as the theory you are dismissing. True enough, but that doesn't validate the higher-profile original either. Seems a bit "well actually" TBH.
- Funes- 8y ago
  >that doesn't validate the higher-profile original either. You're right, it doesn't. I never said that, either. >Seems a bit "well actually" TBH I'm sorry if it came across that way, really. I like to be as precise as I can with everything I say, so it just came out that way naturally. Actually, one of the first replies I got here (not too long ago) was a similar kind of comment to the one we are discussing now. At first, my reaction was negative, as in "this guy is just trying to one-up me by nitpicking my comment"; then, I realized it was an opportunity to start to make myself as clear as possible whenever I wrote any other comments. Anyhow, I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

levesque 8y ago

I agree that they completely ignore Amazon which has a similar curve to Microsoft, except higher in ranking.

endorphone 8y ago

Having Amazon topping that chart and then dutifully ignored as a narrative was spun makes the whole thing dubious. The rankings themselves seem a bit ridiculous and wholly unrelated to really anything at all. Not only has Apple had no such problems, in similar polls they rank at or near #1 year after year.

jeromebaek 8y ago

> ... while those companies most heavily affected by privacy-related scandals faced the steepest erosion in trust. Amazon hasn't been involved in any large privacy-related scandals.

fishywang 8y ago
large scale human access to (and accessed) ring (after it's acquired by Amazon) video footage doesn't count?