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> Apple's bad rep is probably due to high pricing, tech lock-in, horrible apple store experience, bad behavior regarding right-to-repair, pretty bad software ov

> Apple's bad rep is probably due to high pricing, tech lock-in, horrible apple store experience, bad behavior regarding right-to-repair, pretty bad software overall. How times have changed. It wasn't long ago that many of us (myself included) were saying virtually the same thing about Microsoft's product.

michaelcampbell 8y ago
> How times have changed. Including people at the top running things. Interesting (to me) how the sales guy CEO's having been changed led the companies in different directions afterwards.
Nasrudith 8y ago
Ironically I recall a minority pointing out Apple would be even worse than Microsoft if they were in Microsoft's place given their controllingness - Microsoft was fine with third party manufacturers as opposed to suing to stop "Hackintoshes". There never was an equivalent for Microsoft.
- pwinnski 8y ago
  Microsoft was in the position of the Hackintoshes, though. It was IBM in Apple's position, and IBM did sue. A software company (MS) and a hardware company (Apple) definitely make different choices!
  - sneakernets 8y ago
    Isn't MS making hardware now?
    - pwinnski 8y ago
      Sure, though not enough to really be called a hardware company. The comparison was between MS in the 90s and Apple now, as I understood it. At the time they might have been making peripherals, maybe? But not computers.
      - organsnyder 8y ago
        Yeah, I don't recall any MS-branded computers back in the 90s. They were making mice and keyboards, but that's about it. And they have always been happy to sell a copy of Windows to anyone that wanted to run it (and had compatible hardware, which was already commoditized back in the 90s). I remember seeing news reports about the Black Friday-esque runs on stores at midnight the day of the Windows 95 release (while I was sitting smug at home because we had been running prerelease builds at home for months due to my dad's software company being a member of MSDN [or whatever the equivalent was at the time]).
- gowld 8y ago
  Microsoft tries to block Hackinwindows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)#Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)#Microsoft

michaelcampbell 8y ago

> How times have changed. Including people at the top running things. Interesting (to me) how the sales guy CEO's having been changed led the companies in different directions afterwards.

Nasrudith 8y ago

Ironically I recall a minority pointing out Apple would be even worse than Microsoft if they were in Microsoft's place given their controllingness - Microsoft was fine with third party manufacturers as opposed to suing to stop "Hackintoshes". There never was an equivalent for Microsoft.

pwinnski 8y ago
Microsoft was in the position of the Hackintoshes, though. It was IBM in Apple's position, and IBM did sue. A software company (MS) and a hardware company (Apple) definitely make different choices!
- sneakernets 8y ago
  Isn't MS making hardware now?
  - pwinnski 8y ago
    Sure, though not enough to really be called a hardware company. The comparison was between MS in the 90s and Apple now, as I understood it. At the time they might have been making peripherals, maybe? But not computers.
    - organsnyder 8y ago
      Yeah, I don't recall any MS-branded computers back in the 90s. They were making mice and keyboards, but that's about it. And they have always been happy to sell a copy of Windows to anyone that wanted to run it (and had compatible hardware, which was already commoditized back in the 90s). I remember seeing news reports about the Black Friday-esque runs on stores at midnight the day of the Windows 95 release (while I was sitting smug at home because we had been running prerelease builds at home for months due to my dad's software company being a member of MSDN [or whatever the equivalent was at the time]).
gowld 8y ago
Microsoft tries to block Hackinwindows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)#Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)#Microsoft