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I don't think it's just a fad, sadly. It's a kind of post-modern hipsterism that borders on the quasi-reactionary, of a sort that seems to be weirdly popular a

I don't think it's just a fad, sadly. It's a kind of post-modern hipsterism that borders on the quasi-reactionary, of a sort that seems to be weirdly popular as of late, and it might stay around for a while whether we like it or not. Yes, crowded environments will definitely be an issue. Hopefully wearing face masks in public will become more popular, much like we see happening in East Asia.

ghaff 7y ago
My understanding is that face masks help if you have a cold to avoid spreading germs but are pretty much useless in terms of protecting you from other people's diseases.
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sixothree 7y ago
How are religious conservatives considered post-modern hipsterism?
- overthemoon 7y ago
  It's not just religious conservatives. I hardly subscribe to "horseshoe theory" but there are similarities between religious conservatives and a particular sort of anti-authority people on the left, and this is one of them. Both slices of the ideological spectrum include the rejection of authority, namely in this case either the state or liberal (as in Liberalism) scientific epistemology, or both. Post-modern hipsterism isn't quite the right term, but it's in the right vicinity IMO. EDIT: Just remembered this: practically speaking, you can find this overlap in the snake oil ingredients sold by both Goop, Gwyneth Paltrow's "wellness" company, and Alex Jones: https://qz.com/1010684/all-the-wellness-products-american-love-to-buy-are-sold-on-both-infowars-and-goop/ https://qz.com/1010684/all-the-wellness-products-american-lo...
  - 0815test 7y ago
    Yup, the "post-modern" part I actually meant quite literally in fact. It's a societal attitude that somewhat widespread these days, of rejecting modernity in some forms (such as with the medical technology of vaccination, wrt. anti-vax adherents) while accepting it unreservedly in many other ways (as with the rise of the Internet, and especially the myriad local groups and weird "tribes" fostered by online social media - certainly a novel way to build up social capital, compared to the churches of old!). It's not really about the ideological spectrum per se, in fact focusing on that is more confusing than anything else.
- TomVDB 7y ago
  Many anti-vaxxers are not religious conservatives but progressives who live in rich enclaves of Marin county etc. https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/kindergartens-vaccines-medical-exemptions-calif-13085811.php https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/kindergartens-vaccines-...
  - org3432 7y ago
    Waldorf Schools show a number of times too, they tend to mix up science with romanticized fake spirituality, which would make perfect sense some of them would go too far. The parents are typically well educated, but also have a wishy-washy spiritual seeker tendency.
  - tzs 7y ago
    In fact, there is no major religion that is against vaccination [1]. Even religions that you might expect to have a problem because of some of the ingredients in the vaccine, such as Hindus with vaccines that include bovine components, or Muslims and Jews with vaccines using porcine components, are fine with them even with if they include those components. Jainism you might expect to have a problem because they are against violence against any life, including microorganisms. But vaccines are allowed, with regrets, as necessary to protect other lives. (The same reason they allow soap and cooking). Scientologists are OK with vaccination. Among Christians, most denominations are fine with vaccines. Catholics, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Amish, Anglican, Baptist, Mormons, Congregational, Episcopalian, Jehovah's Witness, Lutheran, Mennonite, Methodist, Quaker, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Seventh-Day Adventist, and Unitarian-Universalist...all fine with vaccination. The Christians against vaccination are the Christian Scientists, the Dutch Reformed Congregations, and the faith healing denominations. (Christian Scientists think vaccinations are unnecessary because they think they can cure disease with prayer, but they don't have a religious problem with getting vaccinations if they are required to enroll in school or travel or things like that). [1] https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/immunizations-and-religion https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/...
    - droithomme 7y ago
      Is Catholicism a major religion? The Vatican issued an official statement about the morality of using, administering, allowing and requiring vaccines which include aborted fetal cells. http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocume...

ghaff 7y ago

My understanding is that face masks help if you have a cold to avoid spreading germs but are pretty much useless in terms of protecting you from other people's diseases.

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sixothree 7y ago

How are religious conservatives considered post-modern hipsterism?

overthemoon 7y ago
It's not just religious conservatives. I hardly subscribe to "horseshoe theory" but there are similarities between religious conservatives and a particular sort of anti-authority people on the left, and this is one of them. Both slices of the ideological spectrum include the rejection of authority, namely in this case either the state or liberal (as in Liberalism) scientific epistemology, or both. Post-modern hipsterism isn't quite the right term, but it's in the right vicinity IMO. EDIT: Just remembered this: practically speaking, you can find this overlap in the snake oil ingredients sold by both Goop, Gwyneth Paltrow's "wellness" company, and Alex Jones: https://qz.com/1010684/all-the-wellness-products-american-love-to-buy-are-sold-on-both-infowars-and-goop/ https://qz.com/1010684/all-the-wellness-products-american-lo...
- 0815test 7y ago
  Yup, the "post-modern" part I actually meant quite literally in fact. It's a societal attitude that somewhat widespread these days, of rejecting modernity in some forms (such as with the medical technology of vaccination, wrt. anti-vax adherents) while accepting it unreservedly in many other ways (as with the rise of the Internet, and especially the myriad local groups and weird "tribes" fostered by online social media - certainly a novel way to build up social capital, compared to the churches of old!). It's not really about the ideological spectrum per se, in fact focusing on that is more confusing than anything else.
TomVDB 7y ago
Many anti-vaxxers are not religious conservatives but progressives who live in rich enclaves of Marin county etc. https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/kindergartens-vaccines-medical-exemptions-calif-13085811.php https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/kindergartens-vaccines-...
- org3432 7y ago
  Waldorf Schools show a number of times too, they tend to mix up science with romanticized fake spirituality, which would make perfect sense some of them would go too far. The parents are typically well educated, but also have a wishy-washy spiritual seeker tendency.
- tzs 7y ago
  In fact, there is no major religion that is against vaccination [1]. Even religions that you might expect to have a problem because of some of the ingredients in the vaccine, such as Hindus with vaccines that include bovine components, or Muslims and Jews with vaccines using porcine components, are fine with them even with if they include those components. Jainism you might expect to have a problem because they are against violence against any life, including microorganisms. But vaccines are allowed, with regrets, as necessary to protect other lives. (The same reason they allow soap and cooking). Scientologists are OK with vaccination. Among Christians, most denominations are fine with vaccines. Catholics, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Amish, Anglican, Baptist, Mormons, Congregational, Episcopalian, Jehovah's Witness, Lutheran, Mennonite, Methodist, Quaker, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Seventh-Day Adventist, and Unitarian-Universalist...all fine with vaccination. The Christians against vaccination are the Christian Scientists, the Dutch Reformed Congregations, and the faith healing denominations. (Christian Scientists think vaccinations are unnecessary because they think they can cure disease with prayer, but they don't have a religious problem with getting vaccinations if they are required to enroll in school or travel or things like that). [1] https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/immunizations-and-religion https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/news-resource-articles/...
  - droithomme 7y ago
    Is Catholicism a major religion? The Vatican issued an official statement about the morality of using, administering, allowing and requiring vaccines which include aborted fetal cells. http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocume...