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Ask HN: Do you think that people at work like you and enjoy your presence?
Or is it purely by interest that they keep you around?
Does it matter to you?
How would you know/(figure it out) if it did/does?
- gaspoweredcat 8y agowhen i worked in a workplace i always assumed they didnt but thankfully my skills are good enough that it doesnt get me kicked out. i can gel with a few people but its pretty rare. does it matter to me? nope but im autistic so its not really a strange situation for me, i generally assume people only speak to me if they need something, on the rare occasions where they dont i start wondering what sort of ulterior motive they have, which is probably why i dont really have friends save for a few people ive known decades
- gitgud 8y agoMy stupid questions and comments make people laugh sometimes, so I assume they do, but I would never want to know peoples truest thoughts about me anyway. In the end, you're just another person in their life, just like they are another person in yours, so it doesn't matter as much as you think...
- AwesomeFaic 8y agoI think so. I get worried I ask too many questions some time (newest hire of a small team of vets) but we have a lot of good conversations and learn from one another, aside from friendly chats and making one another laugh from time to time. Humor is always good, really it just comes down to recognizing your surroundings and acting accordingly.
- runjake 8y agoOld guy here who understands what you're getting at. My thoughts on how you do it: 1. Be a genuinely good person. 2. Be a team player. Always credit the team. People will figure things out. 3. Do small, nice things for people without the expectation of reciprocation. They shouldn't require a major time or money investment from you. Just little things. 4. Show up on time. Don't be the first to leave. 5. Don't overwork. Overworking leads to negative effects on your health.
- django77 8y agoIf everybody listened to advice 4 it would conflict with advice 5
- eithed 8y agoNot necessarily - if things need to be done, don't leave people to it just because you're done; try to be helpful (of course don't let others take advantage). The same way - don't stay over time if given thing can be continued next day; work is work, and while it is important, there are more important things
- muzani 8y ago4 basically means don't be that guy who does as little work as contractually obligated to. There was actually one situation where I was the last to come and first to leave. I'm pretty sure I was well disliked at that company even though I more than did my share. You're just not seen as part of the group.
- quickthrower2 8y agoI don’t follow 4. I get in early and leave early. This is the 2010s not the 1810s. If that means I’m not liked, I’ll pay that tax.
- maccard 8y agoI think op means to not just do the bare minimum and be the guy who leaves when everyone else is working.
- majewsky 8y agoI know what you're getting at, but this language upsets me. There are a ton of valid reasons to leave when everyone else is working: 1. doctor's appointment 2. picking up the kids from daycare 3. being an early bird and coming in way earlier than everyone else 4. working part-time Just from the top of my head.
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- Jemaclus 8y agoWhen I was in 6th grade, I went on a field trip, and the teacher handed out awards to all the kids for what they did on the trip. Most of the kids got things like "most athletic" and "best teamwork skills" and "best singing voice" and things like that. Mine was "muddiest person" or something like that because I had slipped and fallen in the mud one day. Even back then, I felt like it was mildly insulting. In my career, the "awards" I get are kind of similar. I get the "Funniest Slack GIFS" awards where everyone else gets praise for releasing good features and fixing the most bugs and giving the best presentation. I do those things very well too, but somehow the public perception of me is that I'm a klutz or a goofball, even though I try to be serious and professional. It's kind of frustrating. So to answer your question, no, I don't think that people like me and enjoy my presence. And I don't know how to be better.
- lapnitnelav 8y agoI can be quite the oddball, colourful to put it mildly - in both "good" and "less then stellar" ways. But I never really knew how people I work with perceive me, beyond the coworkers I was really close with. I figured they mostly saw me as some sort of weirdo that they tolerate at best. Then one day, I left a job and went back to the same company a few weeks later. On day 1 of my come back, within the first 5 minutes of doing a mock welcome - I already knew everyone in this new team, another lad came behind me and lifted me up, in a celebratory fashion. It was really unexpected but it's one of my fondest memory. This took place in small satellite office with an overall great vibe, so YMMV. But all in all, I don't think there's anything wrong with being recognized for the morale boost you might provide to your surroundings.
- jjoe 8y agoThe fact that people are openly praising you for acts that perhaps seem futile or downright insulting to you is a good sign. It means that you're approachable and able to handle a joke or two with no hard feelings. It can be an advantage if you learn how to leverage it.
- richardhod 8y agocan you expand on how, somewhat, for those of us who may not understand how to move to the next steps / leverage?
- alimw 8y agoDo people come directly to you for information on your area of expertise? For me it seems they haven't done as much than I'd expect, but I can't say for sure if that's because they don't like me or because my expertise is less respected than I imagine it should be. Either way it does matter to my career prospects as well as to my feelings.
- inertiatic 8y agoI am not very social generally, but this goes away after you've been around people for long enough. What I am is very courteous and respectful. I generally help people as much as I possibly can, I only provide suggestions instead of acting like I necessarily know better. I give props to people and recognise when they're doing good work. People generally seem to like working with me, and I could easily consider a lot of my current and past co-workers good friends.
- mbfg 8y agoTurn the question around and ask the same thing about your coworkers. Now take the average of your opinions about all your coworkers. That's likely how people view you. The truth probably is that other people just don't think of you all that much, so I wouldn't worry about it. As long as you avoid the bottom 10% such that you don't stick out, then it's all good. And frankly if you are asking this question, you probably aren't.
- gshdg 8y agoSurely there's a middle ground? I'm almost certainly not the person my co-workers would choose to be friends with or go out of their way to have present when not at work. I'm totally cool with that. The feeling is mutual. But I'm also fairly certain that (while even our best friends always have some habits we find irritating) for the most part they find me pleasant enough to be around and interact with. It matters to me that my colleagues find me pleasant and easy to work with, friendly, and not grating. It doesn't matter much to me whether they particularly like me as a person as long as our interpersonal relationship is good enough to effectively facilitate our professional relationship. On the other hand, if I find you frustrating to work with on a professional level, it doesn't matter how pleasant you are to have a beer with. I'm going to resent you and wish we didn't have to work together.
- jdavis703 8y agoThis line of thinking can be detrimental to your mental health. Since you’re posting on Hacker News I’m assuming you’re not in politics — possibly the only career where likability matters. Just make sure to keep your boss happy, and keep your coworkers and/or reports from literally hating you and you’re fine. Trying to do anything more than that could lead you to developing social anxiety. There’s no way to truly understand what’s in someone else’s mind, so unless someone comes to you with a specific, actionable complaint don’t worry too much about what they think of you.
- davidjnelson 8y agoListening and genuinely caring about others goes a long way. Honestly though, you have zero control about what others think of you. If you do good work, and are kind, compassionate and respectful I wouldn't worry about it. If you feel you have some specific deficit there are certainly professionals you can pay to help you fix it.
- monk_e_boy 8y agohow to make friends and influence people. Funny old book, take from it what you will, but it espouses what you said. Improv skills help, if (like me) you aren't brilliant at conversations, treat them more like a game, "yes and" to keep things flowing.
- juancn 8y agoYes, I'm even close friends with a few. You know like you know in any other context. People usually tell you and show you. I've made many friends at work over the years. The thing is, you have to care about people for them to like you. Be genuine with them, be there for them and don't be a dick. Have integrity. Allow them to know that you're a human being that makes mistakes, that you're imperfect and that's fine and you're comfortable with that in you (and others). Ask for help when you need it, and offer it when you have it. Specially around things people really care about. Also, and this is the hard part, work on yourself, on your self-esteem, on being better at dealing with your own emotional state. This transfer to others too and makes all the other stuff come easier.
- ken 8y agoA few years ago, the company I worked at was switching from offices to an 'open floor plan', and the noise and anxiety dropped my productivity to near zero, so I tendered my resignation. It was the longest I'd ever held a job (and still is), so I didn't enjoy leaving, but I had no choice. My coworkers held a little going-away party for me, and gave me a custom trophy they'd had made with my (IRC) name on it -- just for being me. So I feel confident in saying that, back when I worked in software, my coworkers enjoyed my presence, and management put up with me.
- ihaabi 8y agoLikes/Dislikes, unlike facebook clicks, are very personal and they vary with interactions, communications and level of trust in between you and your colleagues. I would like to recommend this small exercise based on the game theory called "Evolution of Trust", https://ncase.me/trust/ https://ncase.me/trust/ At the end of this exercise there were three findings: 1. Repeat Interactions 2. Look for a possible win-win situation 3. Low Miscommunication Definitely, as I said in the start, there is a lot more than a few factors that affect a colleague likeness/dislikeness towards you. The biggest lesson from above exercise in response to your questions would be: "In the short term, your environment defines how people like you, but in the long term, it is you who defines the environment. So, do what you can do to improve conditions necessary to evolve trust, build relationships, communicate clearly." If it is important that you want people to like you, then communicate clearly. Ask them, "Have you ever thought, Why do you think any colleague should like you?". Tell them, what are the reasons you like them professionally and personally, and ask the favor back. I do it every time whenever I have a question of like/dislike related to a colleague.
- DevX101 8y agoThat's a pretty cool game. Thanks!
- whateveracct 8y agoidgaf :) I try to be polite, be a good team member, and keep personal distance. My coworkers shouldn't have much information to (dis)like me or have much personal idea about me. I don't want to be a full person with them - we're professionals. Works well.
- dahart 8y agoSeveral random unrelated answers: It can be pretty hard to know whether work friendships are genuine. It’s worth assessing what you want, and whether it actually matters to you. It’s much easier to get what you want when you know what it is. Also turn the question around and ask yourself whether you care about others at work, and whether you like them and enjoy them. Are you letting them know in verbal or non-verbal ways? How often are you putting yourself in a place to be judged? For example, do you invite coworkers to your place for drinks/dinner/games? Some indicator might be whether people will do things with you outside of work, if you want that. Work relationships, like school, usually are happenstance. You’re all employees making a living and the company controls making a living. It should be expected that some work friendships are a matter of employment or situational convenience and not deep lasting bonds. Personally, I do feel somewhat liked at work, but it’s starting to matter less to me. I do usually try to be likable and also contribute, and those things do help. They way I actually know whether people liked me usually comes much later, often after I’ve left the company. The way I know is by finding who’s interested in catching up with me on social media, or getting together to hang out or reminisce, or even start a new side project. Seeking out some people with shared interests outside of work can help. At one company, I started a mountain biking club, and made some friends by welcoming newcomers and helping people learn how to ride. It has in the past felt like more people liked me when I’ve been a manager. That also fades faster and becomes apparent that it’s more often ‘purely by interest’ as you put it.
- maxaf 8y agoNo, people at work don't like me, and they don't enjoy my presence, but that's okay. I act professionally, I do my best to make good technical decisions, and I assist others when asked for help. I'm generous with my time. I receive positive peer & manager reviews, but when all is said and done only one thing matters: no one keeps in touch with me after work ceases to be the shared medium within which communications usually take place. It's difficult to estimate how many people I've worked with. I've built good rapport with dozens of individuals throughout the years, but I'm still in touch with only one person. This doesn't bother me, as my personality has nothing to do with work. My opinions, to which I'm entitled, are equally upsetting to both sides of the political divide. I don't take part in office parties, and I'll never join my colleagues on a company-sponsored beach retreat. My personality is my own, and liking me isn't a prerequisite to working productively together towards shared goals. All this is to say: work isn't life, and life isn't work.
- avip 8y agoOutwardly, strive to be a professional. Inwardly, strive to not give a damn about what others like or dislike.
- purplezooey 8y agoEveryone is one bad quarter or Jack Welch style manager from being kicked to the street. When you think about it, none of this really matters.
- reversecs 8y agoYes, I receive praise and promotion even though I feel like i don't actually ship anything. I can only deduce that people like me and so they speak well of me.
- ihaabi 8y agoIt might be possible that you are too harsh on yourself. Are you familiar with Imposter Syndrome?
- caseyw 8y agoI feel like they do. Outside of work I get text, calls and invites to go out with others. I’ve even received holiday cards from their families. I try to be as genuine and forthcoming in helping those around me learn and grow with anything I learn as I grow.
- otras 8y agoOff topic, but I believe this thread was posted a few days ago but has reappeared as new (currently says 4 hours ago) after a delay. OP originally posted it two days ago, visible from their submissions page. I noticed this happen a few days ago as well.
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- julienreszka 8y agoYes.
- jason_slack 8y agoI've had jobs where I was told I was well liked and people stopped by to have conversations with me every day. I've also had jobs where my name brought with it a reputation for expecting results and answers without hearing the life story behind it. It was best to e-mail me for a quick reply and if you see headphones on, don't wave in my face. I did my work. I did it well. I was honest good or bad. I taught rather than bragged.
- youeseh 8y agoAt my last job, I finally ended up working at a company with around 150 employees on-site. I set a few ground rules for myself before joining: No social media interactions with people from work. Invitations can be deferred until after you no longer work together. Don't get suckered into talking about politics or other divisive topics. Keep it professional and always do the right thing. With that in mind, to answer your questions: Did people like me? Heck yes they did! It was easy! I'd walk right up and introduce myself to everyone I didn't know whenever the opportunity presented itself. I'd learn about them as much as I could and tell them about what I did and hopefully we'd be able to help each other. I'd ask people how things were going and try to hang out with people as much as I could during lunch / coffee breaks. But more importantly, did they respect me? It was clear to everyone why I was there. I was there to make my team succeed despite everything that was going on outside my team. This meant that there was plenty of work to be done beyond what my title suggested.
- _nalply 8y agoI think at my former work place people were somewhat confused about me. I am Deaf and they sometimes didn't know what to do with me. I lipread but have difficulties in meetings. I also avoided joining social gatherings, for example coffee breaks, because lipreading is, well, exhausting. Still, I delivered code and the company was satisfied with my work, and sometimes they were surprised about that. So people perhaps tried to like me and enjoy my presence, but probably felt unconfortable instead pitying me and asking themselves how they would manage if they were Deaf.
- thiago_fm 8y agoI think it is mix of interest and "likeability(?)", and I like that way. I like that people have their own self interests and will put themselves before me, because that leaves the space for me to do it when I find useful as well. And I need it, because I have a team which I need to keep it well balanced. In the end make they happy with their environment(compensation, challenges, pressure... etc).
- kleer001 8y agoThis kind of theory-of-mind thinking was important when we were stuck with the same 300 person tribe. Now, not so much. Do good, be personable, mind your own business.