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The integrated SIP stack look excellent, but from http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-high

by tshtf 16y ago

The integrated SIP stack look excellent, but from http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html: "Support for the platform's SIP and internet calling features on specific devices is determined by their manufacturers and associated carriers." This is disappointing, but not unexpected.

mike-cardwell 16y ago
You can always install a SIP app, but yes, I'd much rather have access to the integrated client.
- dotBen 16y ago
  Or root your Android phone. I'm finding more and more people outside of tech-circles are doing this as it allows you to run WifTether, extra apps, etc. Those "Mobile Phone Repair Shops" that used to unlock Nokias are doing a roaring trade rooting and changing firmware on 'regular' user's phones.
  - StavrosK 16y ago
    What's WifTether? I'm looking for reasons to root it, but for now TempRoot is working fine. I am also not sure if it will have any adverse effects, like preventing updating or anything.
    - dotBen 16y ago
      Sorry I meant WiFi Tether (officially called "Android Wifi Tether"), it is an open source project that does the same job as the "official" wifi tether app that the carrier usually lock or require you to pay extra for them to set allowWifiTether = TRUE; Being rooted allows the app to provide the same functionality without needing to check the carrier setting. It's the killer app of being rooted. Unless you are on AT&T in SF or NY in which case your network is probably hosed anyway
      - StavrosK 16y ago
        Hmm, I see. I'm guessing it creates a WiFi hotspot you can connect to and access the internet? If so, my stock Desire HD does that already, since I'm not in the US. It's pretty shit that your carrier would disable that, our carriers don't mess with the phones at all...
lwhi 16y ago
Well - Google have to be friendly with the networks. It's in their interest. A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks).
- trezor 16y ago
  > A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks). This is so backwards that it hurts. A Network which wont support the latest and greatest phones with the most awesome features will lose out customers. Around here where I live (Europe) you chose the phone you want and you chose the plan which fits your needs. Two entirely different and disconnected things. I can't believe you Americans let the telcos boss you around like that. Didn't you believe in freedom of choice, and all that? Why do you put up with this? Vote with your wallets. Pay whoever gives you choice. Don't let Apple's (or Google's) latest shiny toy fool you into choosing serfdom, just because it's (currently) only available on a few (or one) carrier. Where I live, the iPhone was launched (US-style) exclusive to one operator. This is totally Alien here, with a capitol-A. People had to go to a lower-quality network operator to get the first iPhone 3G. The market didn't like this, data heavy users didn't like going to a network with a reputation for being sucky on data. They waited it out. Voila. More operators got it, because Apple figured they could sell more by not being exclusive. It's not that hard.
  - lwhi 16y ago
    It's might be backwards, but it's an unfortunate truth. I live in Europe too .. but go to any phone shop, and you'll see that carriers pick specific phones to support. People traditionally buy phones with contracts - and a lot people shy away from buying a phone upfront (although this trend seems to be waning). Also, a large part of the massive amount of money that's spent on marketing comes from the networks. Without their support a phone platform would be dead in the water. I don't think the iPhone situation was an example of market forces creating pressure, I think the intention was always to allow other networks access .. in the UK Apple had a specific business relationship with O2 which must have been profitable for both parties. I think restriction to one network, was an example of clever (devious) marketing. The situation will continue to change - but for the time being the power of these carrier networks is an unfortunate fact of life.

by tshtf 16y ago

mike-cardwell 16y ago

You can always install a SIP app, but yes, I'd much rather have access to the integrated client.

dotBen 16y ago
Or root your Android phone. I'm finding more and more people outside of tech-circles are doing this as it allows you to run WifTether, extra apps, etc. Those "Mobile Phone Repair Shops" that used to unlock Nokias are doing a roaring trade rooting and changing firmware on 'regular' user's phones.
- StavrosK 16y ago
  What's WifTether? I'm looking for reasons to root it, but for now TempRoot is working fine. I am also not sure if it will have any adverse effects, like preventing updating or anything.
  - dotBen 16y ago
    Sorry I meant WiFi Tether (officially called "Android Wifi Tether"), it is an open source project that does the same job as the "official" wifi tether app that the carrier usually lock or require you to pay extra for them to set allowWifiTether = TRUE; Being rooted allows the app to provide the same functionality without needing to check the carrier setting. It's the killer app of being rooted. Unless you are on AT&T in SF or NY in which case your network is probably hosed anyway
    - StavrosK 16y ago
      Hmm, I see. I'm guessing it creates a WiFi hotspot you can connect to and access the internet? If so, my stock Desire HD does that already, since I'm not in the US. It's pretty shit that your carrier would disable that, our carriers don't mess with the phones at all...

lwhi 16y ago

Well - Google have to be friendly with the networks. It's in their interest. A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks).

trezor 16y ago
> A phone OS which allows the networks to be totally supplanted wouldn't be marketed positively (by the networks). This is so backwards that it hurts. A Network which wont support the latest and greatest phones with the most awesome features will lose out customers. Around here where I live (Europe) you chose the phone you want and you chose the plan which fits your needs. Two entirely different and disconnected things. I can't believe you Americans let the telcos boss you around like that. Didn't you believe in freedom of choice, and all that? Why do you put up with this? Vote with your wallets. Pay whoever gives you choice. Don't let Apple's (or Google's) latest shiny toy fool you into choosing serfdom, just because it's (currently) only available on a few (or one) carrier. Where I live, the iPhone was launched (US-style) exclusive to one operator. This is totally Alien here, with a capitol-A. People had to go to a lower-quality network operator to get the first iPhone 3G. The market didn't like this, data heavy users didn't like going to a network with a reputation for being sucky on data. They waited it out. Voila. More operators got it, because Apple figured they could sell more by not being exclusive. It's not that hard.
- lwhi 16y ago
  It's might be backwards, but it's an unfortunate truth. I live in Europe too .. but go to any phone shop, and you'll see that carriers pick specific phones to support. People traditionally buy phones with contracts - and a lot people shy away from buying a phone upfront (although this trend seems to be waning). Also, a large part of the massive amount of money that's spent on marketing comes from the networks. Without their support a phone platform would be dead in the water. I don't think the iPhone situation was an example of market forces creating pressure, I think the intention was always to allow other networks access .. in the UK Apple had a specific business relationship with O2 which must have been profitable for both parties. I think restriction to one network, was an example of clever (devious) marketing. The situation will continue to change - but for the time being the power of these carrier networks is an unfortunate fact of life.