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Given that the old keyboard worked fine, and the only reason we have a new one is to shave a few millimeters, then yes I believe the designers are most directly

Given that the old keyboard worked fine, and the only reason we have a new one is to shave a few millimeters, then yes I believe the designers are most directly responsible. Plus ID would tell you their role is much more than "aesthetics."

ImprovedSilence 7y ago
Maybe I'm an outlier, but I actually really like the feel of the new mbp keyboard, and going back to the old keyboard feels like i just stepped back in time and my ipod has a wheel on it again... This opinion subject to change if keys stop working. I would, however, give up some thinness for better battery life, that's for sure...
- skavi 7y ago
  I use a mechanical keyboard (blue) on desktop, and previously used a relatively thick Lenovo laptop. If my 2018 MBP wasn't constantly double typing 'e', I'd rank it right up there with them in terms of feel. It's shallow, but very crisp, with just the right activation force. Though, if Apple couldn't fix its issues in three generations, it may be time for them to move on.
  - village-idiot 7y ago
    I still own a 2012 MacBook Air. While the old keys have a hell of a lot of depth, they’re also much more vague and “mushy”. I too prefer the new keyboard, although I wouldn’t rank them anywhere near an actual mechanical switch. My main fear with the new switches is the durability, but since my only new MacBooks are company machines, I won’t pay should some dust disable a key.
  - sbuk 7y ago
    It’s interesting that you lead with “I type on a mechanical keyboard”. I have long considered that at least part of the issue is related to heavier typing styles. I know that sounds like “your holding it wrong”, but thats not what I’m saying. As engineering solutions go, the keyboard they designed is extremely elegant. Maybe they didn’t account enough for how people type.
- kccqzy 7y ago
  You are not alone. When the new keyboard actually works, it feels great. Going back to the old one feels mushy.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 7y ago
  I’ve had two MBPs fail on the keyboard issue. One that I’ve already had repaired is having the issue again. I do like the typing feel on these keyboards, but they should toss this design given the poor reliability. Every single person I know with this laptop has had issues.

ImprovedSilence 7y ago

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I actually really like the feel of the new mbp keyboard, and going back to the old keyboard feels like i just stepped back in time and my ipod has a wheel on it again... This opinion subject to change if keys stop working. I would, however, give up some thinness for better battery life, that's for sure...

skavi 7y ago
I use a mechanical keyboard (blue) on desktop, and previously used a relatively thick Lenovo laptop. If my 2018 MBP wasn't constantly double typing 'e', I'd rank it right up there with them in terms of feel. It's shallow, but very crisp, with just the right activation force. Though, if Apple couldn't fix its issues in three generations, it may be time for them to move on.
- village-idiot 7y ago
  I still own a 2012 MacBook Air. While the old keys have a hell of a lot of depth, they’re also much more vague and “mushy”. I too prefer the new keyboard, although I wouldn’t rank them anywhere near an actual mechanical switch. My main fear with the new switches is the durability, but since my only new MacBooks are company machines, I won’t pay should some dust disable a key.
- sbuk 7y ago
  It’s interesting that you lead with “I type on a mechanical keyboard”. I have long considered that at least part of the issue is related to heavier typing styles. I know that sounds like “your holding it wrong”, but thats not what I’m saying. As engineering solutions go, the keyboard they designed is extremely elegant. Maybe they didn’t account enough for how people type.
kccqzy 7y ago
You are not alone. When the new keyboard actually works, it feels great. Going back to the old one feels mushy.
eeeeeeeeeeeee 7y ago
I’ve had two MBPs fail on the keyboard issue. One that I’ve already had repaired is having the issue again. I do like the typing feel on these keyboards, but they should toss this design given the poor reliability. Every single person I know with this laptop has had issues.