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So this relates to their practice of ransacking all your email contacts without your consent, engaging in data theft as they upload them and analyze them for su
by droithomme 8y ago
So this relates to their practice of ransacking all your email contacts without your consent, engaging in data theft as they upload them and analyze them for subsequent actions. And of course Linked In is also notorious for engaging in this criminal vile privacy raping practice.
I remember maybe 8 years ago it was here on HN that a company was found to be doing this and it was shocking to some. But an executive of that company showed up here and said that "everybody does it" and it's "standard practice" and for some years after that anyone complaining about the practice here was not only downvoted but sometimes warned by our glorious compromised moderators.
In my opinion the practice of contact list ransacking should never be allowed, is clearly unethical, and anyone defending it is an enemy of humanity who should be locked away in order to protect society.
- misiti3780 8y agoyou were probably thinking about when Path got caught doing it .
- judge2020 8y agoDiscussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3563016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3563016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5632934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5632934
- jmspring 8y agoLinkedIn is notorious for this. The app still asks for contact access all the time.
- rags2riches 8y agoSaying that the app asks is not accurate. It's not presented as a choice and it's not clear what will happen when you continue.
- helloindia 8y agoThe worst is, even if you deny Linkedin access to your contacts. Your contacts will still show up in suggestions, because others have givein LinkedIn access to their contacts. And LinkedIn maps it with your Linkedin signup email address.
- cortesoft 8y agoThey are the worst... every few months, I will end up with like 20 emails at once asking to connect with a coworker on LinkedIn. They will be to 20 different email lists that I am on, which all get sucked up by LinkedIn and spammed. I don’t even have a LinkedIn account.
- anitil 8y agoOff topic, but I have to ask - what do you use the app for? In my head LinkedIn is a 'work' thing so I only use it on my laptop.
- blitmap 8y agoYou know someday when we have consumer protection laws for things like this, a company will be forced to trace every piece of derived data on a user based off of what was unlawfully collected - and provably delete it. Instead of simply paying a fine and moving along with the new insights they have on you. Like an entrance fee to the club. Sidenote: I bet you could make a business out of tracing derived data to comply with lawful orders.
- radicaldreamer 8y agoIt’ll be very hard because it can be impossible to trace a model back to it’s constituent data, especially if it’s ephemeral
- yati 8y agoOne way is to make sure the provenance is known from source tuples to all the way to the model version, and (eventually) retrain the model when any records upstream of it are deleted.
- groestl 8y agoAFAIK Palatir made a business model out of this (i.e. tracking provenance for datasets and models, along with permissions). (Just hearsay, not affiliated with Palantir in any way)
- blitmap 8y agoWell see that's the other thing: "Someday" they'll have to make these connections in case they are legally obligated to erase a data source and it's derivatives.
- groestl 8y agoEphemeral is not an option then, isn't it? In face of regulation, some things can't/shouldn't be optimized. It's already the case for more established industries like pharma.
- robin_reala 8y ago