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The calories aren't the issue; as far as I know butter and margarine have about the same amount per serving. Margarine was preferred because it was thought that

The calories aren't the issue; as far as I know butter and margarine have about the same amount per serving. Margarine was preferred because it was thought that the saturated fat in butter was going to clog your arteries and kill you.

atomical 8y ago
Saturated fat is bad for health. This is established science and your comment is science denial. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...
- phonypc 8y ago
  It's not nearly that simple. And the person you're responding to didn't even actually deny that saturated fat is unhealthy, why jump on them like that? Needlessly inflammatory.
  - atomical 8y ago
    You're being disingenuous. Please stop. > Margarine was preferred because it was thought that the saturated fat in butter was going to clog your arteries and kill you.
    - tomhoward 8y ago
      You do seem unreasonable and unnecessarily combative in this subthread. I've had to read over it several times to figure out how your comments are appropriate replies, and I’m not seeing it. That commenter wasn't mounting an argument for a position on whether or not "saturated fat in butter was going to clog your arteries and kill you" - just explaining the thinking behind those who preferred margarine. But it's also not "established science" that "saturated fat is bad for health". If it were that simple, any food containing saturated fat would never appear in the "healthy in low-moderate quantities" section of a mainstream recommended diet chart. Clearly that's not the case, and clearly many experts have different things to say about this topic. So, please stop throwing around accusations of "science denial", when any person who engages seriously with this topic knows that it is still a matter of ongoing research and discussion.
      - atomical 8y ago
        You are incorrect and denying science as well. Trump uses the same logic to deny climate change. He says many experts disagree. Your opinion is not equal to fact. I'm sorry. Please stop being a science denier.
      - atomical 8y ago
        Trump uses the same logic to deny climate change.
        tomhoward 8y ago
        This is an appallingly bad-faith style of discussion. You must know full well this terminology is used for its evocative link to holocaust denial. Not that it should make a difference to how you conduct yourself, but I’ve had cause to research this topic in order to get myself through serious health issues. So I know what it looks like when people are or aren’t engaging with this topic with honesty. It’s a deeply important topic that deserves better than crap like this, particularly from a longtime user of this site.
    - keymone 8y ago
      Not only saturated fat isn’t bad but at worst neutral, but also LDL is not “bad” when measured as concentration, which is the main argument against sat fats on the page you linked. There is plenty of research on this topic.
- avinium 8y ago
  You should be careful about making blanket statements like "established science" and "science denial". It makes you come off as an extremist, and in fact, the page you linked makes no such claims and is far more moderate. It talks only about potentially harmful dietary fats. > Research about the possible harms and benefits of dietary fat is always evolving. Current evidence suggests that the smart play is to focus on choosing healthier fats and avoiding the less healthy ones. Researchers (particularly those in the field of nutrition) have got things completely wrong before. An important part of being a good scientist is knowing the limits of the current body of research.
  - atomical 8y ago
    Yeah, it's only what 99% of doctors in the US would recommend but I'm the extremist...

atomical 8y ago

Saturated fat is bad for health. This is established science and your comment is science denial. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...

phonypc 8y ago
It's not nearly that simple. And the person you're responding to didn't even actually deny that saturated fat is unhealthy, why jump on them like that? Needlessly inflammatory.
- atomical 8y ago
  You're being disingenuous. Please stop. > Margarine was preferred because it was thought that the saturated fat in butter was going to clog your arteries and kill you.
  - tomhoward 8y ago
    You do seem unreasonable and unnecessarily combative in this subthread. I've had to read over it several times to figure out how your comments are appropriate replies, and I’m not seeing it. That commenter wasn't mounting an argument for a position on whether or not "saturated fat in butter was going to clog your arteries and kill you" - just explaining the thinking behind those who preferred margarine. But it's also not "established science" that "saturated fat is bad for health". If it were that simple, any food containing saturated fat would never appear in the "healthy in low-moderate quantities" section of a mainstream recommended diet chart. Clearly that's not the case, and clearly many experts have different things to say about this topic. So, please stop throwing around accusations of "science denial", when any person who engages seriously with this topic knows that it is still a matter of ongoing research and discussion.
    - atomical 8y ago
      You are incorrect and denying science as well. Trump uses the same logic to deny climate change. He says many experts disagree. Your opinion is not equal to fact. I'm sorry. Please stop being a science denier.
    - atomical 8y ago
      Trump uses the same logic to deny climate change.
      - tomhoward 8y ago
        This is an appallingly bad-faith style of discussion. You must know full well this terminology is used for its evocative link to holocaust denial. Not that it should make a difference to how you conduct yourself, but I’ve had cause to research this topic in order to get myself through serious health issues. So I know what it looks like when people are or aren’t engaging with this topic with honesty. It’s a deeply important topic that deserves better than crap like this, particularly from a longtime user of this site.
  - keymone 8y ago
    Not only saturated fat isn’t bad but at worst neutral, but also LDL is not “bad” when measured as concentration, which is the main argument against sat fats on the page you linked. There is plenty of research on this topic.
avinium 8y ago
You should be careful about making blanket statements like "established science" and "science denial". It makes you come off as an extremist, and in fact, the page you linked makes no such claims and is far more moderate. It talks only about potentially harmful dietary fats. > Research about the possible harms and benefits of dietary fat is always evolving. Current evidence suggests that the smart play is to focus on choosing healthier fats and avoiding the less healthy ones. Researchers (particularly those in the field of nutrition) have got things completely wrong before. An important part of being a good scientist is knowing the limits of the current body of research.
- atomical 8y ago
  Yeah, it's only what 99% of doctors in the US would recommend but I'm the extremist...