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I think there is another way to read that comment. That lard is also unusual in Denmark, but the mechanisms being presented here don't really fit. In other wo

by ska 8y ago

I think there is another way to read that comment. That lard is also unusual in Denmark, but the mechanisms being presented here don't really fit. In other words, there are other mechanisms at work, and perhaps that calls into question the narrative... Of course it could just be that they are different places.

chrisdhoover 8y ago
Thats how I read it. If they reason that lard went away in the US is not the same reason it went away in the EU, then what is the EU reason and does the EU reason cast doubt on the US reason.
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  The original comment makes it sound like lard was never really there to begin with in Europe, or at least Scandinavia. There was no "going away" in Europe, so nothing to really inform the hypothesis on it's fall in the US.
  - Nursie 8y ago
    This is definitely not true in the UK - cooking with Lard was a huge thing in my grandparents generation, but almost unheard of amongst my peers. I'm 40. What has changed is people's views of what's healthy, and Lard is considered hilariously unhealthy, to the point of it being a joke. But people used to deep or shallow fry with it, use it in pastry, cook with it in all sorts of ways. It was also a poverty food during and after WWII - bread and lard is cheap enough and calorie dense enough to keep workers going through the day.
    - abrugsch 8y ago
      ugh... and hence why fried bread is often an option for cooked breakfast at the greasiest of greasy spoon caf's
    - Ntrails 8y ago
      I still use Lard for roast potatoes, it is excellent at the job. But it is definitely unusual to use it at all at this point
      - Nursie 8y ago
        I bet that is good. I occasionally use duck or goose fat and they come out fantastic that way too. But that's quite conventional at this point!
moate 8y ago
Here's a quick and easy take for you: Denmark is an entirely different culture with an entirely different consumption history. Their recipes call for butter, and their replacement was a veg-oil product. Looking at some fast consumption stats (current, and I'm lazy here but I'll assume this probably link to historic consumer trends) Denmark is top 8 in milk consumption per capita but don't even show up in the top 40 for pork consumption. My guess for why they don't use lard: They never really did. If you have a dairy/beef based food culture and minimal pork you probably aren't going to use pork lard because it's just not around. It wasn't "killed" in Denmark (anecdotal old Danes, please feel free to prove me wrong here) because it was never the de facto fat for these applications. Edited to add: "Approx. 90 percent of the production is exported and is thereby essential to the Danish economy and the balance of trade." They currently produce a decent volume of pork and then ship it out of country.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  Input from a Dane, albeit not an anecdotal old one: We did use more lard in the old days, as well as beef tallow and horse fat, for specialty recipes. Duck and goose fat were also highly prized, as they are to this day. I have a couple of pre-1900 recipe collections, with the oldest recipes being from a 1616 cookbook. The old recipes do tend to use significantly more rendered fats than we do today, I think mostly because it's an inevitable byproduct of butchering and preparing meat, and you wouldn't want anything to go to waste. Butter took time and effort to produce, but rendered fat just had to be collected while you were cooking. However we've always been heavy dairy consumers, so it makes sense that it would be our primary culinary fat. It's such an ingrained part of our cuisine that in the mid-20th century, our TV chefs made "plenty of butter!" their catchphrase. We also had the great margarine replacement during/after WWII, and the eventual realization that trans fats were even worse than saturated fats. Even though margarine is now free from trans fats, I think most people are still skeptical of it, and prefer butter.
  - rags2riches 8y ago
    This is interesting. My impression from across the sound is that the Danes love their pigs and everything that comes from them. I must confess I've pointed out the svinefedt in a Danish store to a fellow countryman and we had a good chuckle about you guys...

by ska 8y ago

chrisdhoover 8y ago

Thats how I read it. If they reason that lard went away in the US is not the same reason it went away in the EU, then what is the EU reason and does the EU reason cast doubt on the US reason.

vonmoltke 8y ago
The original comment makes it sound like lard was never really there to begin with in Europe, or at least Scandinavia. There was no "going away" in Europe, so nothing to really inform the hypothesis on it's fall in the US.
- Nursie 8y ago
  This is definitely not true in the UK - cooking with Lard was a huge thing in my grandparents generation, but almost unheard of amongst my peers. I'm 40. What has changed is people's views of what's healthy, and Lard is considered hilariously unhealthy, to the point of it being a joke. But people used to deep or shallow fry with it, use it in pastry, cook with it in all sorts of ways. It was also a poverty food during and after WWII - bread and lard is cheap enough and calorie dense enough to keep workers going through the day.
  - abrugsch 8y ago
    ugh... and hence why fried bread is often an option for cooked breakfast at the greasiest of greasy spoon caf's
  - Ntrails 8y ago
    I still use Lard for roast potatoes, it is excellent at the job. But it is definitely unusual to use it at all at this point
    - Nursie 8y ago
      I bet that is good. I occasionally use duck or goose fat and they come out fantastic that way too. But that's quite conventional at this point!

moate 8y ago

Here's a quick and easy take for you: Denmark is an entirely different culture with an entirely different consumption history. Their recipes call for butter, and their replacement was a veg-oil product. Looking at some fast consumption stats (current, and I'm lazy here but I'll assume this probably link to historic consumer trends) Denmark is top 8 in milk consumption per capita but don't even show up in the top 40 for pork consumption. My guess for why they don't use lard: They never really did. If you have a dairy/beef based food culture and minimal pork you probably aren't going to use pork lard because it's just not around. It wasn't "killed" in Denmark (anecdotal old Danes, please feel free to prove me wrong here) because it was never the de facto fat for these applications. Edited to add: "Approx. 90 percent of the production is exported and is thereby essential to the Danish economy and the balance of trade." They currently produce a decent volume of pork and then ship it out of country.

KozmoNau7 8y ago
Input from a Dane, albeit not an anecdotal old one: We did use more lard in the old days, as well as beef tallow and horse fat, for specialty recipes. Duck and goose fat were also highly prized, as they are to this day. I have a couple of pre-1900 recipe collections, with the oldest recipes being from a 1616 cookbook. The old recipes do tend to use significantly more rendered fats than we do today, I think mostly because it's an inevitable byproduct of butchering and preparing meat, and you wouldn't want anything to go to waste. Butter took time and effort to produce, but rendered fat just had to be collected while you were cooking. However we've always been heavy dairy consumers, so it makes sense that it would be our primary culinary fat. It's such an ingrained part of our cuisine that in the mid-20th century, our TV chefs made "plenty of butter!" their catchphrase. We also had the great margarine replacement during/after WWII, and the eventual realization that trans fats were even worse than saturated fats. Even though margarine is now free from trans fats, I think most people are still skeptical of it, and prefer butter.
- rags2riches 8y ago
  This is interesting. My impression from across the sound is that the Danes love their pigs and everything that comes from them. I must confess I've pointed out the svinefedt in a Danish store to a fellow countryman and we had a good chuckle about you guys...