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>Realistically speaking, American's lives are practically no different than before Trump was elected before, my foreign-born spouse and me didn't have a "how t

>Realistically speaking, American's lives are practically no different than before Trump was elected before, my foreign-born spouse and me didn't have a "how to bail from the US in a hurry when shit goes sideways and they start trying to round up immigrants" plan. now, we have a plan. before, i didn't need to worry about being accosted by groups of right-wing militant street gangs if i decided to expand my horizons by checking out a leftist book fair. now, after nearly being caught in what could have spiraled into a massive brawl between the right wingers and the leftists, i do need to worry about that. before, i didn't need to encourage my local politicians to make plans for the continuation of our state's institutions in the event of a breakdown of the federal government's cohesion. now, i do.

malvosenior 7y ago
These are exactly the type of things I'm talking about though. Why would you think this would ever happen? "how to bail from the US in a hurry when shit goes sideways and they start trying to round up immigrants" If you're here legally you have absolutely nothing to worry about and shouldn't be stressing yourself out about this. "Massive brawls" are also illegal and violence in general is at a historic low point. The media feeds this kind of "we're at the edge" panic inducing narrative, but reality is far more tame in the US.
- ummonk 7y ago
  Or their spouse is from one of the countries on the immigration ban list. Legal immigrants can’t really have the same peace of mind regarding being allowed to remain in the country that citizens do.
- cryoshon 7y ago
  >Why would you think this would ever happen? oh, i don't think it will happen. but it wasn't remotely on the table before trump, and now it is remotely on the table, as shown by the wall we're building, the deportations, denaturalizations, denials of asylum, anti-immigrant violence, etc. surely you understand: i'm merely following best practices in reaction to the intensification of trends stoked by the president. >if you're here legally you have absolutely nothing to worry about you're thinking of this issue in terms of following the letter of the law as someone who obeys the law without thinking about it. but you forget that legal matters only self-correct in the long term; you can beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride. and it's the ride -- the not-legitimate exercise of the state's power which is later reversed by due process -- which is the thing that drives immigrants into anxiety. an immigration goon emboldened by the trump administration can easily cause tremendous damage to a perfectly innocent and fully legal person, and that damage will not ultimately be rectified by the law. it doesn't matter if you are innocent; the act of being falsely or accidentally or maliciously accused is enough to destroy your livelihood. >"Massive brawls" are also illegal and violence in general is at a historic low point. and yet before trump there weren't any visible and active white nationalist street gangs in my city, but now there is at least one. are we at the edge? i don't know. what i do know is that we're closer than we were before.
  - klipklop 7y ago
    I highly suggest you and your spouse go a 'news diet[1].' What you are saying does not match up with reality. While what you are saying has some valid points you have to realize that you are magnifying the intensity and severity of these issues greatly. White nationalism didn't destroy the US during the civil rights movement and it certainly wont now. Good people and tolerance is winning. [1] https://www.gwern.net/docs/culture/2010-dobelli.pdf https://www.gwern.net/docs/culture/2010-dobelli.pdf
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malvosenior 7y ago

These are exactly the type of things I'm talking about though. Why would you think this would ever happen? "how to bail from the US in a hurry when shit goes sideways and they start trying to round up immigrants" If you're here legally you have absolutely nothing to worry about and shouldn't be stressing yourself out about this. "Massive brawls" are also illegal and violence in general is at a historic low point. The media feeds this kind of "we're at the edge" panic inducing narrative, but reality is far more tame in the US.

ummonk 7y ago
Or their spouse is from one of the countries on the immigration ban list. Legal immigrants can’t really have the same peace of mind regarding being allowed to remain in the country that citizens do.
cryoshon 7y ago
>Why would you think this would ever happen? oh, i don't think it will happen. but it wasn't remotely on the table before trump, and now it is remotely on the table, as shown by the wall we're building, the deportations, denaturalizations, denials of asylum, anti-immigrant violence, etc. surely you understand: i'm merely following best practices in reaction to the intensification of trends stoked by the president. >if you're here legally you have absolutely nothing to worry about you're thinking of this issue in terms of following the letter of the law as someone who obeys the law without thinking about it. but you forget that legal matters only self-correct in the long term; you can beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride. and it's the ride -- the not-legitimate exercise of the state's power which is later reversed by due process -- which is the thing that drives immigrants into anxiety. an immigration goon emboldened by the trump administration can easily cause tremendous damage to a perfectly innocent and fully legal person, and that damage will not ultimately be rectified by the law. it doesn't matter if you are innocent; the act of being falsely or accidentally or maliciously accused is enough to destroy your livelihood. >"Massive brawls" are also illegal and violence in general is at a historic low point. and yet before trump there weren't any visible and active white nationalist street gangs in my city, but now there is at least one. are we at the edge? i don't know. what i do know is that we're closer than we were before.
- klipklop 7y ago
  I highly suggest you and your spouse go a 'news diet[1].' What you are saying does not match up with reality. While what you are saying has some valid points you have to realize that you are magnifying the intensity and severity of these issues greatly. White nationalism didn't destroy the US during the civil rights movement and it certainly wont now. Good people and tolerance is winning. [1] https://www.gwern.net/docs/culture/2010-dobelli.pdf https://www.gwern.net/docs/culture/2010-dobelli.pdf
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