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Something I'm curious about: If I make some music I really like through this tool, do I own the copyright to that? Can I turn generated music into an album and

Something I'm curious about: If I make some music I really like through this tool, do I own the copyright to that? Can I turn generated music into an album and sell it? I'm not sure if the site does caching but if it does and me and another person generate the same music, do we both own rights to that?

Erwin 7y ago
I think it will be interesting to see whether there's a legal difference between a person, being inspired by obviously copyrighted material and creating something similar or a Machine Learning model that is trained by the same. If I look at the Marvin Gaye Blurred Lines case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blurred_Lines#Marvin_Gaye_lawsuit_and_authorship_questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blurred_Lines#Marvin_Gaye_laws... that took years to resolve involving humans, I wouldn't personally risk to release machine-generated music that was trained on copyrighted music.
gwern 7y ago
I got this question a lot about my StyleGAN anime faces & GPT-2-small poetry: https://www.gwern.net/Faces#faq https://www.gwern.net/Faces#faq The legal consensus, such as it is, seems to be that (if you did not otherwise agree to a contract/license modifying this in arbitrary ways) you create a new copyright & own it if you use their music-editing tool to tweak settings until you got something you liked, because you are exercising creative control, making choices, and engaging in labor. On the other hand, if you merely generated a random sample, neither you nor anyone else own a copyright on it.
- occamschainsaw 7y ago
  How do you prove that too? Maybe in the future somebody creates a random painting in FuturePaintGAN(TM)+3DCanvasPrinter(TM) that moves millions of people to tears and sells for hundreds of thousands in some auction house. Is that their IP? What if that person is a monkey[1]? Is it "animal-made art"[2]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brassau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brassau [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-made_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-made_art
  - gwern 7y ago
    How do you prove anything to a court about who owns a copyright? You present what evidence you have and marshal what arguments you can, and hope that the person in the right prevails. As your own links indicate, animals have no more copyrights any more than a computer program would because they are not human, and copyright is explicitly granted to human creative efforts.

Erwin 7y ago

I think it will be interesting to see whether there's a legal difference between a person, being inspired by obviously copyrighted material and creating something similar or a Machine Learning model that is trained by the same. If I look at the Marvin Gaye Blurred Lines case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blurred_Lines#Marvin_Gaye_lawsuit_and_authorship_questions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blurred_Lines#Marvin_Gaye_laws... that took years to resolve involving humans, I wouldn't personally risk to release machine-generated music that was trained on copyrighted music.

gwern 7y ago

I got this question a lot about my StyleGAN anime faces & GPT-2-small poetry: https://www.gwern.net/Faces#faq https://www.gwern.net/Faces#faq The legal consensus, such as it is, seems to be that (if you did not otherwise agree to a contract/license modifying this in arbitrary ways) you create a new copyright & own it if you use their music-editing tool to tweak settings until you got something you liked, because you are exercising creative control, making choices, and engaging in labor. On the other hand, if you merely generated a random sample, neither you nor anyone else own a copyright on it.

occamschainsaw 7y ago
How do you prove that too? Maybe in the future somebody creates a random painting in FuturePaintGAN(TM)+3DCanvasPrinter(TM) that moves millions of people to tears and sells for hundreds of thousands in some auction house. Is that their IP? What if that person is a monkey[1]? Is it "animal-made art"[2]? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brassau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Brassau [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-made_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal-made_art
- gwern 7y ago
  How do you prove anything to a court about who owns a copyright? You present what evidence you have and marshal what arguments you can, and hope that the person in the right prevails. As your own links indicate, animals have no more copyrights any more than a computer program would because they are not human, and copyright is explicitly granted to human creative efforts.