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> is it going to last? Is it yet another thing Google will abandon? It's apparently the primary language for Google Ads. As such, I expect it to be maintained

> is it going to last? Is it yet another thing Google will abandon? It's apparently the primary language for Google Ads. As such, I expect it to be maintained as long as Google continues to sell ads and if they do move away from it you'll have plenty of warning.

Reedx 7y ago
People keep saying that in Flutter threads, but it appears to be a small app for managing your ads? If it's just this, it wouldn't be hard to replace: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-ads/id1037457231?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-ads/id1037457231?mt=8 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.adwords https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and... Via https://flutter.dev/showcase https://flutter.dev/showcase
- skybrian 7y ago
  Not just mobile. Dart (though not Flutter) is also used by the AdWords web app, which is quite enormous. That said, Adwords used to be written in GWT. It's not impossible to migrate, but quite a big job.
  - moocowtruck 7y ago
    right but the money maker of adwords is not in dart at all, common lisp i think?
    - skybrian 7y ago
      I don't know what you mean? Google has many large ad customers who use the web UI to manage their campaigns. Common Lisp was rarely used at Google when I was there, though it's a big company and you do see a little of everything, sometimes due to acquisitions. You might be thinking of ITA software, which is (was?) used for airline reservations.
  - stephenr 7y ago
    So, dart is safe until google moves onto the next thing it invents. How’s GWT looking these days?
    - Apocryphon 7y ago
      It lasted for about eleven years which is not bad as far as frameworks go.
      - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
        But this isn't a framework alone. It's a framework (flutter) and a language (dart). And at this point both are entirely dependent on each other, if I'm not mistaken.
    - skybrian 7y ago
      Looks like it occasionally gets an update, even though the GWT team moved on to j2cl. https://gwt.googlesource.com/gwt/+log https://gwt.googlesource.com/gwt/+log
coldtea 7y ago
>It's apparently the primary language for Google Ads. That's Dart, not Flutter. And even so, Dart transpiles to JS for the Google Ads. They could switch to plain JS, or Typescript, or even move to a whole new implementation of Google Ads, and pull the plug. They also used to use GWT, did that hold on?
- Apocryphon 7y ago
  It did for nearly a dozen years.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    Is that a good life for a programming language? It doesn't seem long compared to others.
    - Apocryphon 7y ago
      GWT lasted 11 years.

Reedx 7y ago

People keep saying that in Flutter threads, but it appears to be a small app for managing your ads? If it's just this, it wouldn't be hard to replace: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-ads/id1037457231?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-ads/id1037457231?mt=8 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.adwords https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.and... Via https://flutter.dev/showcase https://flutter.dev/showcase

skybrian 7y ago
Not just mobile. Dart (though not Flutter) is also used by the AdWords web app, which is quite enormous. That said, Adwords used to be written in GWT. It's not impossible to migrate, but quite a big job.
- moocowtruck 7y ago
  right but the money maker of adwords is not in dart at all, common lisp i think?
  - skybrian 7y ago
    I don't know what you mean? Google has many large ad customers who use the web UI to manage their campaigns. Common Lisp was rarely used at Google when I was there, though it's a big company and you do see a little of everything, sometimes due to acquisitions. You might be thinking of ITA software, which is (was?) used for airline reservations.
- stephenr 7y ago
  So, dart is safe until google moves onto the next thing it invents. How’s GWT looking these days?
  - Apocryphon 7y ago
    It lasted for about eleven years which is not bad as far as frameworks go.
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      But this isn't a framework alone. It's a framework (flutter) and a language (dart). And at this point both are entirely dependent on each other, if I'm not mistaken.
  - skybrian 7y ago
    Looks like it occasionally gets an update, even though the GWT team moved on to j2cl. https://gwt.googlesource.com/gwt/+log https://gwt.googlesource.com/gwt/+log

coldtea 7y ago

>It's apparently the primary language for Google Ads. That's Dart, not Flutter. And even so, Dart transpiles to JS for the Google Ads. They could switch to plain JS, or Typescript, or even move to a whole new implementation of Google Ads, and pull the plug. They also used to use GWT, did that hold on?

Apocryphon 7y ago
It did for nearly a dozen years.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  Is that a good life for a programming language? It doesn't seem long compared to others.
  - Apocryphon 7y ago
    GWT lasted 11 years.