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I think that socializing firemen, policemen, and mail has done some good

by jacobcohen11 7y ago

trequartista 7y ago
Also the NBA drafts
rukittenme 7y ago
Makes you wonder why Marx wrote his book at all.
Agustus 7y ago
Firefighters and police officers are not socialized, they do not produce anything, a key tenet of socialism; they are extensions of the government in that they are operational activities that would be carried out by any type of government. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production.
- t0mbstone 7y ago
  If socialism is the public ownership of the means of production, how exactly is a government controlled healthcare program for all considered, "Socialism"? When it comes to insurance, what exactly is the "means of production" there that is being owned by the people? Is any publicly owned and managed entity socialist?
- joelhoffman 7y ago
  They certainly do produce something. Performing a service is production. This service could be and often is provided by a private enterprise, and in that case, it's not socialism. When it's paid for by taxes and controlled by elected representatives, it's socialism. Just like schools, libraries and roads.
LyndsySimon 7y ago
Are you from an urban area by chance? Where I live, firefighters are almost exclusively volunteer. They provide their own vehicles and much of their own equipment. There are grants and subsidies, but it’s still a huge investment. They are paid from those grants, which after department-level expenses are disbursed to individuals proportionally to the number of incidents they responded to. If I call for law enforcement, there’s a decent chance I’ll get a “Justice of the Peace” or a Constable instead of a government employee. These are elected positions, and either unpaid or offer so little compensation no one would ever choose it as a career. Mail is delivered by rural carriers, who are contract workers. They provide their own vehicles and equipment as well. All of the above is pretty typical for most of the US (geographically). I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a free market system - after all, what funding there is for these services comes from the government - but I also wouldn’t call it “socialized”.

I think that socializing firemen, policemen, and mail has done some good

trequartista 7y ago

Also the NBA drafts

rukittenme 7y ago

Makes you wonder why Marx wrote his book at all.

Agustus 7y ago

Firefighters and police officers are not socialized, they do not produce anything, a key tenet of socialism; they are extensions of the government in that they are operational activities that would be carried out by any type of government. Socialism is the public ownership of the means of production.

t0mbstone 7y ago
If socialism is the public ownership of the means of production, how exactly is a government controlled healthcare program for all considered, "Socialism"? When it comes to insurance, what exactly is the "means of production" there that is being owned by the people? Is any publicly owned and managed entity socialist?
joelhoffman 7y ago
They certainly do produce something. Performing a service is production. This service could be and often is provided by a private enterprise, and in that case, it's not socialism. When it's paid for by taxes and controlled by elected representatives, it's socialism. Just like schools, libraries and roads.

LyndsySimon 7y ago

Are you from an urban area by chance? Where I live, firefighters are almost exclusively volunteer. They provide their own vehicles and much of their own equipment. There are grants and subsidies, but it’s still a huge investment. They are paid from those grants, which after department-level expenses are disbursed to individuals proportionally to the number of incidents they responded to. If I call for law enforcement, there’s a decent chance I’ll get a “Justice of the Peace” or a Constable instead of a government employee. These are elected positions, and either unpaid or offer so little compensation no one would ever choose it as a career. Mail is delivered by rural carriers, who are contract workers. They provide their own vehicles and equipment as well. All of the above is pretty typical for most of the US (geographically). I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a free market system - after all, what funding there is for these services comes from the government - but I also wouldn’t call it “socialized”.