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Obviously the birds aren’t considered conscious... But it seems the same could be said about humans. “They have a long time to breed.. eh whatever”...

by vxxzy 8y ago

giovannibonetti 8y ago
Think about the generation of missing women in China as a result of the single-child policy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women_of_China
- ZebZ 8y ago
  The millions of unwed military-aged Chinese men that could be seen as economically expendable has always made me nervous.
- ataturk 8y ago
  Yeah, I don't think I care. China needed to do something about exploding population. India needs to do it, too. I just sat in traffic for over an hour with a bunch of dumb apes driving multi-ton death machines and acting like complete imbeciles. My city was clearly not designed to handle even the modest population doubling that it has undergone. The crush of people even in the states is intense so I can't even imagine what it is like in the truly overpopulated parts of the world. Humans are just wiping out nature, that's the deal.
nck4222 8y ago
>Obviously the birds aren’t considered conscious That might not be as obvious as you think. There are studies demonstrating that the parts of the brain that demonstrate consciousness in mammals, evolved before mammal and avian evolution split. With other features co-evolving later on as well. Some birds are considered sentient now, and as more studies are performed, more and more animals are added to that list. First it was just humans, then all apes, oh and dogs, plus pigs, turns out dolphins too, and parrots, and corvids, etc. etc. etc. At this point I'd be more surprised if they weren't conscious.
pgeorgi 8y ago
> But it seems the same could be said about humans. “They have a long time to breed.. eh whatever”... Pretty much what happens in humans when there's no contraception and therefore a new kid every ~year and less food than needed to feed everybody. Which describes most of humanity's history. Particular care for children and the concepts of childhood and parenting are a rather new phenomenon.
soperj 8y ago
You're crazy if you don't think Crows are conscious.

Obviously the birds aren’t considered conscious... But it seems the same could be said about humans. “They have a long time to breed.. eh whatever”...

by vxxzy 8y ago

Obviously the birds aren’t considered conscious... But it seems the same could be said about humans. “They have a long time to breed.. eh whatever”...

giovannibonetti 8y ago

Think about the generation of missing women in China as a result of the single-child policy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women_of_China

ZebZ 8y ago
The millions of unwed military-aged Chinese men that could be seen as economically expendable has always made me nervous.
ataturk 8y ago
Yeah, I don't think I care. China needed to do something about exploding population. India needs to do it, too. I just sat in traffic for over an hour with a bunch of dumb apes driving multi-ton death machines and acting like complete imbeciles. My city was clearly not designed to handle even the modest population doubling that it has undergone. The crush of people even in the states is intense so I can't even imagine what it is like in the truly overpopulated parts of the world. Humans are just wiping out nature, that's the deal.

nck4222 8y ago

>Obviously the birds aren’t considered conscious That might not be as obvious as you think. There are studies demonstrating that the parts of the brain that demonstrate consciousness in mammals, evolved before mammal and avian evolution split. With other features co-evolving later on as well. Some birds are considered sentient now, and as more studies are performed, more and more animals are added to that list. First it was just humans, then all apes, oh and dogs, plus pigs, turns out dolphins too, and parrots, and corvids, etc. etc. etc. At this point I'd be more surprised if they weren't conscious.

pgeorgi 8y ago

> But it seems the same could be said about humans. “They have a long time to breed.. eh whatever”... Pretty much what happens in humans when there's no contraception and therefore a new kid every ~year and less food than needed to feed everybody. Which describes most of humanity's history. Particular care for children and the concepts of childhood and parenting are a rather new phenomenon.

soperj 8y ago

You're crazy if you don't think Crows are conscious.