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Non-discrimination and acceptance isn't the same thing. You can't force people to like you, and you shouldn't.
by otabdeveloper1 7y ago
Non-discrimination and acceptance isn't the same thing. You can't force people to like you, and you shouldn't.
- Ensorceled 7y agoDo you really believe explicit, credible death and/or rape threats for being a woman with opinions on Marvel movies or games or being LGBQ are examples of a non-discriminatory environment?
- Phenix88be 7y agoInternet is a tool to communicate freely and regardless of the message. Internet isn't "people". If someone harass you with your phone, you don't blame the phone, you blame the harasser. The phone is fine.
- mtberatwork 7y agoThe murkiness is that the tool shields the harasser from any sort of consequences that would occur if the exchange happened in the physical world.
- Phenix88be 7y agoThe same way journalist and activist are protected. Should you blame the mailman if he deliver some harassing anonymous letter ? The physical mail offer the same sort of protection if it's done properly.
- woodruffw 7y agoIf someone harassed me with anonymous letters, I would open a police report. The point is that no equivalent recourse exists online. Edit: The point being that the mailman is a red herring. If the internet is really an extension of public space as (presumably) claimed, let's treat it like one.
- Phenix88be 7y ago> If someone harassed me with anonymous letters, I would open a police report. In my country, I can open a police report for online harassment.
- mtberatwork 7y ago..and on average, how well does that work out for the victim?
- Phenix88be 7y agoI m no expert in that field. Probably better than you think since the police has access to a lot of tools to find you and been an harasser doesn't mean you have the technical skill to be anonymous enougth. We are now in an endless debate. Internet isn't the problem. Bad behaviours, uneducation, missinformation, fake news, etc are the problem. Blaming internet won't solve those. And they will be ready for the next tool.
- Mirioron 7y agoHow would it change anything if the harasser did it in the real world? Online there are logs of it, in the real world it'll be you word against theirs.
- mtberatwork 7y agoI am not suggesting that harassment ceases to exist in the real world, I'm saying that it's simply not so cut-and-dry as the parent's comment suggests. An individual's behavior can drastically alter between the physical and virtual world, where social norms and filters can easily be tossed aside.
- funkythingsss 7y agoDo you have proof that this woman is targeted, because she is a woman? People get harassed all the time, though VERY rarely in the scope of things. I don't condone it. Still, it is rare and hits both genders roughly equally.
- rossenberg79 7y agoA true non-discriminatory environment is also an environment of no mercy. All opinions are permitted, even ones you will find incredibly vile and threatening. So think carefully when you ask for this kind of environment. I think what some people are actually asking for when they say "non-discriminatory" is an environment where people who do not accept minority members or opinions are not welcomed.
- funkythingsss 7y agowell said.
- Ensorceled 7y agoEjecting people for making rape and death threats to other members of the community is not the same as ejecting members of the community for being PoC, LGBTQ, Nazis or Republicans. These are not the same thing.
- rocqua 7y agoThe distinction being action taken towards other members on the one hand (the making of threats) and convictions (being PoC, LGBTQ, Nazi) on the other hand? What about convictions that compel action (Jihadis, Jehovas, militant atheists, Nazis) it might serve to eject people of those convictions because it should be expected they take those actions.
- Nasrudith 7y agoYeah but it is a "anything that can be done to a rat can be done to a human" thing. It says nothing of worthiness and everything about possibilities because worthiness is ultimately a matter of opinion. It is like asking for bullets which only hurt guilty people whom it would be necessary to shoot.
- otabdeveloper1 7y ago"Non-discrimination" means using a verifiable and objective yardstick when judging professional performance. Death and rape threads on the intertubes is just people being mean. Deal with it, there will always be somebody who hates you. Life's tough.
- progval 7y ago> Life's tough. It doesn't have to be.
- time-lord 7y agoDoes anyone really believe that a rape/death threat is a credible, honest threat, when it comes in response to a commercial for a Marvel movie or a video game? I mean, I get that there was that whole massive rape and slaughter epidemic after the female Ghostbusters reboot, where hundreds of thousands of souls lost their lives and/or virginity, but come on. Also, those rape and death threats from the Mexican drug cartels. Now THAT is what a fictitious threat looks like. Am I right? I mean, when's the last time anyone got raped or murdered over drugs in Mexico?
- Angostura 7y agoJust to be clear, that means that you are discriminating 0 changing your behaviour, based on your perceptions of that person's characteristics.