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The regulations are worse than the problem though. Thankfully the HUD under this administration has been trying to slow it down. In my friend's home town, the

The regulations are worse than the problem though. Thankfully the HUD under this administration has been trying to slow it down. In my friend's home town, the federal government has deemed it to be "too white", and is trying to build a 500 unit housing complex, and bus in people from 80 miles away to live there. And to anyone who loves talking about how enlightened they are, ask yourself if YOU would choose to live next to government housing for 500+ low income people. Of course you wouldn't.

learc83 7y ago
So some people living next to 500 low income people is better than not allowing black people to live anywhere but slums? Because that's the problem in the scenario I mentioned. Also low income people need to live somewhere, and how exactly are they "busing" in people to live there? I'm pretty sure your story is missing some details. Can you link us to a local article on it so we can find out more for ourselves?
- apostacy 7y ago
  So, you would be ok with transplanting a chunk of Detroit into your neighborhood? Unless the answer to that question is an enthusiastic yes, then you would be called a racist. Actually, forget who the people are. Would you be ok with the federal government forcibly disrupting your community and bypassing local governance, to build buildings that nobody asked for, and inviting displaced strangers into your community? And their rationale for this is punitive. They target communities that are deemed to be too homogenous.
  - infinite8s 7y ago
    Again, you have any citation for that? Surely a story as disruptive as you paint it has been covered somewhere.
    - apostacy 7y ago
      This took me 15 seconds: https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2016/12/27/westchester-affordable-housing-settlement-finish/95867128/ https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2016/12/2... They do this all around Chicago. The federal government engages in what is essentially balkanization. And people are justified in not being happy about it.
      - learc83 7y ago
        That is not even remotely close to the situation as you described it. Not even in the same ballpark. A private group sued the county after they "collected $52 million in federal development grants by falsely certifying in the grant paperwork that it had analyzed impediments to fair housing." There was a federal development grant that required the county to conduct an assessment of it's zoning policies to determine whether those zoning policies prevented developers from building affordable housing. Many counties have policies like that--minimum square footage, minimum acreage etc... The county lied, said they had conducted this analysis, and collected $52 million. As punishment they were forced to pay back some of the money, and issue permits for 750 affordable homes. Not housing projects. The federal government didn't build any homes, they didn't bus anyone in from 80 miles away. And the primary motivating force for this settlement were local advocacy groups who were arguing against overly restrictive zoning by local government. In fact this entire situation is an example of government overreach in exactly the opposite direction. The local government created a problem, and the Federal government stepped in to provide redress to local petitioners.
drb91 7y ago
> And to anyone who loves talking about how enlightened they are, ask yourself if YOU would choose to live next to government housing for 500+ low income people. Of course you wouldn't. ...why not?
- apostacy 7y ago
  Cool, pack your bags and move to the nearest big city housing project. Actually, why aren't you there now, you can save so much money. Or for that matter, homeless shelters are even cheaper.
  - munk-a 7y ago
    Unfortunately due to views like yours those housing projects are usually shoved well out of the way and lack access to good public transit (not infrequent buses) and services (a housing project that big could definitely support a grocery store). So I'm suggesting they do plop one down right next to you since you seem to live in such a nice area!
    - apostacy 7y ago
      I actually had the fortune of living in a public housing project for a brief period in my youth. And since you think it would be so beneficial to live in or near one, I am still wondering why you don't consider moving there. Maybe you can just admit that there are real liabilities to living in an area like that. Do you need to see a heat map to see the crime rates and violence? Do you think that is a conspiracy theory? Do you enjoy being assaulted and burglarized?
      - munk-a 7y ago
        I'm in Canada, I live in New Westminster - the zoning policies that happened in the US never happened up here so there are a few bad neighborhoods, but people are people, crime happens everywhere. I'm just happy the chances I'll die from a gunshot wound dropped suddenly when I emigrated from the states.
munk-a 7y ago
Sure, I wouldn't mind living in a neighborhood with a 500 unit housing complex - up here in Canada housing is far too unaffordable right now making Vancouver apparently into the second least affordable city in the world.

learc83 7y ago

So some people living next to 500 low income people is better than not allowing black people to live anywhere but slums? Because that's the problem in the scenario I mentioned. Also low income people need to live somewhere, and how exactly are they "busing" in people to live there? I'm pretty sure your story is missing some details. Can you link us to a local article on it so we can find out more for ourselves?

apostacy 7y ago
So, you would be ok with transplanting a chunk of Detroit into your neighborhood? Unless the answer to that question is an enthusiastic yes, then you would be called a racist. Actually, forget who the people are. Would you be ok with the federal government forcibly disrupting your community and bypassing local governance, to build buildings that nobody asked for, and inviting displaced strangers into your community? And their rationale for this is punitive. They target communities that are deemed to be too homogenous.
- infinite8s 7y ago
  Again, you have any citation for that? Surely a story as disruptive as you paint it has been covered somewhere.
  - apostacy 7y ago
    This took me 15 seconds: https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2016/12/27/westchester-affordable-housing-settlement-finish/95867128/ https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/2016/12/2... They do this all around Chicago. The federal government engages in what is essentially balkanization. And people are justified in not being happy about it.
    - learc83 7y ago
      That is not even remotely close to the situation as you described it. Not even in the same ballpark. A private group sued the county after they "collected $52 million in federal development grants by falsely certifying in the grant paperwork that it had analyzed impediments to fair housing." There was a federal development grant that required the county to conduct an assessment of it's zoning policies to determine whether those zoning policies prevented developers from building affordable housing. Many counties have policies like that--minimum square footage, minimum acreage etc... The county lied, said they had conducted this analysis, and collected $52 million. As punishment they were forced to pay back some of the money, and issue permits for 750 affordable homes. Not housing projects. The federal government didn't build any homes, they didn't bus anyone in from 80 miles away. And the primary motivating force for this settlement were local advocacy groups who were arguing against overly restrictive zoning by local government. In fact this entire situation is an example of government overreach in exactly the opposite direction. The local government created a problem, and the Federal government stepped in to provide redress to local petitioners.

drb91 7y ago

> And to anyone who loves talking about how enlightened they are, ask yourself if YOU would choose to live next to government housing for 500+ low income people. Of course you wouldn't. ...why not?

apostacy 7y ago
Cool, pack your bags and move to the nearest big city housing project. Actually, why aren't you there now, you can save so much money. Or for that matter, homeless shelters are even cheaper.
- munk-a 7y ago
  Unfortunately due to views like yours those housing projects are usually shoved well out of the way and lack access to good public transit (not infrequent buses) and services (a housing project that big could definitely support a grocery store). So I'm suggesting they do plop one down right next to you since you seem to live in such a nice area!
  - apostacy 7y ago
    I actually had the fortune of living in a public housing project for a brief period in my youth. And since you think it would be so beneficial to live in or near one, I am still wondering why you don't consider moving there. Maybe you can just admit that there are real liabilities to living in an area like that. Do you need to see a heat map to see the crime rates and violence? Do you think that is a conspiracy theory? Do you enjoy being assaulted and burglarized?
    - munk-a 7y ago
      I'm in Canada, I live in New Westminster - the zoning policies that happened in the US never happened up here so there are a few bad neighborhoods, but people are people, crime happens everywhere. I'm just happy the chances I'll die from a gunshot wound dropped suddenly when I emigrated from the states.

munk-a 7y ago

Sure, I wouldn't mind living in a neighborhood with a 500 unit housing complex - up here in Canada housing is far too unaffordable right now making Vancouver apparently into the second least affordable city in the world.