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Exactly. Making Tesla criticism about criticizing alternative energy is a false equivocation. There are strong arguments that Tesla is being ran very poorly b

Exactly. Making Tesla criticism about criticizing alternative energy is a false equivocation. There are strong arguments that Tesla is being ran very poorly by Musk (solar city acq, VW cash denied, SEC fines, etc.) despite the company being one of the champions for electric vehicles.

agumonkey 8y ago
I fail to see what Tesla can do to be a more solid company, care to give hints ?
- danso 8y ago
  I’ve been most bothered by the exaggerated claims and projected deadlines for AP functionality and FSD. But not being able to raise money through presales, as well as banking on the premium image that leading in autonomy confers, would make Tesla even less solid of a company, at least financially. Tesla basically creating a market for EAV is very cool, and no matter what, I think Musk deserves a place in the history books for it.
- empath75 8y ago
  Give up on self driving cars for one thing.
  - kylecordes 8y ago
    No need to give up. Just acknowledge that is a hard problem whose success date is notably indeterminate. Then stubbornly refuse to talk about future features and only talk about one's already shipping today. If the future is going to arrive so soon, why bother to break in advance? Let everyone be amazed when it does arrive. I love the autopilot feature, but the cars are still great without it. Tesla can be very successful and sell a lot of cars without any more self driving features.
    - agumonkey 8y ago
      I think that's one of the main problems I have toward Musk. He started with a strong 'hard science' stance on problems and all of a sudden he became just another salesman. If he just stated where they were .. I'd be less annoyed. But maybe it doesn't mesh well with PR
- mdorazio 8y ago
  Short list... 1) Stop making ridiculous promises about self-driving capabilities. 2) Stop giving out timelines that everyone knows aren't going to be hit for every single model. 3) Get production quality under control. Seriously, a stupid percentage of Model 3s are getting handed to customers with defects that would keep them from even making it out of the factory at any other OEM. 4) Get aftermarket logistics figured out so people aren't waiting months for their cars to get repaired. 5) Stop flip-flopping on sales models. Is Tesla selling via brick and mortar stores or not? Is it using low pressure guidance-oriented sales or calling up customers with pre-orders trying to pressure them into upgrading to a more expensive configuration? Is their pricing fixed or going to drop another $1,000 next month? 6) Stop treating employees like churnable garbage. I work in the auto industry and the number of ex-Tesla employees floating around who got burned out or sick of political bullshit in record time is astounding in comparison to every other OEM. 7) Stop treating driver safety as a suggestion. I mean that in the broad sense, not in the mechanical engineering sense. Ex. autopilot should never have been released in any capacity that allowed drivers to take a nap or read a book while the car happily plowed into a semi-truck or median.

agumonkey 8y ago

I fail to see what Tesla can do to be a more solid company, care to give hints ?

danso 8y ago
I’ve been most bothered by the exaggerated claims and projected deadlines for AP functionality and FSD. But not being able to raise money through presales, as well as banking on the premium image that leading in autonomy confers, would make Tesla even less solid of a company, at least financially. Tesla basically creating a market for EAV is very cool, and no matter what, I think Musk deserves a place in the history books for it.
empath75 8y ago
Give up on self driving cars for one thing.
- kylecordes 8y ago
  No need to give up. Just acknowledge that is a hard problem whose success date is notably indeterminate. Then stubbornly refuse to talk about future features and only talk about one's already shipping today. If the future is going to arrive so soon, why bother to break in advance? Let everyone be amazed when it does arrive. I love the autopilot feature, but the cars are still great without it. Tesla can be very successful and sell a lot of cars without any more self driving features.
  - agumonkey 8y ago
    I think that's one of the main problems I have toward Musk. He started with a strong 'hard science' stance on problems and all of a sudden he became just another salesman. If he just stated where they were .. I'd be less annoyed. But maybe it doesn't mesh well with PR
mdorazio 8y ago
Short list... 1) Stop making ridiculous promises about self-driving capabilities. 2) Stop giving out timelines that everyone knows aren't going to be hit for every single model. 3) Get production quality under control. Seriously, a stupid percentage of Model 3s are getting handed to customers with defects that would keep them from even making it out of the factory at any other OEM. 4) Get aftermarket logistics figured out so people aren't waiting months for their cars to get repaired. 5) Stop flip-flopping on sales models. Is Tesla selling via brick and mortar stores or not? Is it using low pressure guidance-oriented sales or calling up customers with pre-orders trying to pressure them into upgrading to a more expensive configuration? Is their pricing fixed or going to drop another $1,000 next month? 6) Stop treating employees like churnable garbage. I work in the auto industry and the number of ex-Tesla employees floating around who got burned out or sick of political bullshit in record time is astounding in comparison to every other OEM. 7) Stop treating driver safety as a suggestion. I mean that in the broad sense, not in the mechanical engineering sense. Ex. autopilot should never have been released in any capacity that allowed drivers to take a nap or read a book while the car happily plowed into a semi-truck or median.