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> If you've given control of your data to a third party, you have no control. Full stop. Given the current state of affairs, doesn't that effectively amount to

by Reelin 8y ago

> If you've given control of your data to a third party, you have no control. Full stop. Given the current state of affairs, doesn't that effectively amount to not carrying a cell phone if you don't want to be tracked? It's not reasonable to assume that I opted in to sharing my data given that no realistic alternative is available to me. I do see your point though - if third party exchanges dealing in such data are legal, then why can't the government use it? It does seem inconsistent.

drawnwren 8y ago
I do agree that 'don't interact with the modern world' seems like a ridiculous solution. Personally, I think GDPR was a reasonable first step down the path of regulation. I would personally like to see a regulation in the US that forced companies to offer data reselling as an add-on to a base package. As a programmer in 2019, I think it's a bit hypocritical of me to opt-in to the industry that is responsible for the situation we are in while saying 'regulation is the solution here'. But it's important to note that we've moved from a legal to a moral question. Legally, I believe the government is currently in the right. Morally, the situation sucks and we should change it.
- Reelin 8y ago
  > As a programmer in 2019, I think it's a bit hypocritical of me to opt-in to the industry that is responsible for the situation we are in while saying 'regulation is the solution here'. Ehh, it's not as though changing your profession would have any sort of meaningful influence on something as large and nebulous as data harvesting, aggregation, sale, and similar. Where would you even draw the line? I suspect you would have trouble finding a reasonably sized company to work for that doesn't engage with adtech or use some form of analytics in some way. Regulation is the only solution I can see here.
- cyphar 8y ago
  > As a programmer in 2019, I think it's a bit hypocritical of me to opt-in to the industry that is responsible for the situation we are in while saying 'regulation is the solution here'. Unless you are responsible for the current situation then you aren't being hypocritical. I'm a programmer and only develop free software. I don't at all feel hypocritical to day that tech companies should be far more strictly regulated when it comes to user privacy and (god forbid!) ethics.

by Reelin 8y ago

drawnwren 8y ago

I do agree that 'don't interact with the modern world' seems like a ridiculous solution. Personally, I think GDPR was a reasonable first step down the path of regulation. I would personally like to see a regulation in the US that forced companies to offer data reselling as an add-on to a base package. As a programmer in 2019, I think it's a bit hypocritical of me to opt-in to the industry that is responsible for the situation we are in while saying 'regulation is the solution here'. But it's important to note that we've moved from a legal to a moral question. Legally, I believe the government is currently in the right. Morally, the situation sucks and we should change it.

Reelin 8y ago
> As a programmer in 2019, I think it's a bit hypocritical of me to opt-in to the industry that is responsible for the situation we are in while saying 'regulation is the solution here'. Ehh, it's not as though changing your profession would have any sort of meaningful influence on something as large and nebulous as data harvesting, aggregation, sale, and similar. Where would you even draw the line? I suspect you would have trouble finding a reasonably sized company to work for that doesn't engage with adtech or use some form of analytics in some way. Regulation is the only solution I can see here.
cyphar 8y ago
> As a programmer in 2019, I think it's a bit hypocritical of me to opt-in to the industry that is responsible for the situation we are in while saying 'regulation is the solution here'. Unless you are responsible for the current situation then you aren't being hypocritical. I'm a programmer and only develop free software. I don't at all feel hypocritical to day that tech companies should be far more strictly regulated when it comes to user privacy and (god forbid!) ethics.