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I stopped using Brave because of this exchange: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1118689481777766400 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/11186894817777

I stopped using Brave because of this exchange: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1118689481777766400 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1118689481777766400 >Our value add is free speech. A free speech browser. With a free speech app store. With free speech money. (Bitcoin.) We don’t care about saving advertising. We care about saving free expression. Fundamental difference. Fundamental USP. Edit: Not talking about anyone's politics here, I'm talking about Brave's focus on advertising - not end user's freedom.

vlunkr 8y ago
Looking at that exchange, The person who said that is making a fork of Brave, so...
techntoke 8y ago
Funny statement about free expression coming from the guy who donated to California Prop 8.
- drak0n1c 8y ago
  Eich founded Mozilla and invented Javascript. He's done far more to promote free expression than to hamper it.
  - brewdad 8y ago
    With one massive blind spot when it comes to the free expression of one's sexuality.
  - techntoke 8y ago
    I don't really think JavaScript has done all that much, except made it easier to advertisers/hackers to do nefarious things on users computers with a very poor permission model. In fact, it is prob the #1 used language to limit expression in other countries and track/spy on users. Mozilla wasn't founded by Eich.
    - gridlockd 8y ago
      You can do tracking perfectly fine without Javascript using just plain old cookies and links. Javascript can't really do anything nefarious "on the users computer" (outside the browser). You can monitor detailed clicks and perhaps steal some data from the origin (which is developer error), that's about it. The security implications of Javascript are always exaggerated, few people talk about how buggy CSS and HTML parsers or image/video decoding can be. Lots of zeroday exploits there and they keep coming.
BrendanEich 8y ago
We don't care about "advertising" as an end in itself, only as one means among two (the other is anonymous user payments) to the end of keeping creators funded and the Web alive as a viable economy. What's more, there's no way for us to make money with Brave Ads unless users opt in -- in which case they make >= what we make. Last thing: don't let someone use "free speech" as a confidence trick. Read the privacy policy.

vlunkr 8y ago

Looking at that exchange, The person who said that is making a fork of Brave, so...

techntoke 8y ago

Funny statement about free expression coming from the guy who donated to California Prop 8.

drak0n1c 8y ago
Eich founded Mozilla and invented Javascript. He's done far more to promote free expression than to hamper it.
- brewdad 8y ago
  With one massive blind spot when it comes to the free expression of one's sexuality.
- techntoke 8y ago
  I don't really think JavaScript has done all that much, except made it easier to advertisers/hackers to do nefarious things on users computers with a very poor permission model. In fact, it is prob the #1 used language to limit expression in other countries and track/spy on users. Mozilla wasn't founded by Eich.
  - gridlockd 8y ago
    You can do tracking perfectly fine without Javascript using just plain old cookies and links. Javascript can't really do anything nefarious "on the users computer" (outside the browser). You can monitor detailed clicks and perhaps steal some data from the origin (which is developer error), that's about it. The security implications of Javascript are always exaggerated, few people talk about how buggy CSS and HTML parsers or image/video decoding can be. Lots of zeroday exploits there and they keep coming.

BrendanEich 8y ago

We don't care about "advertising" as an end in itself, only as one means among two (the other is anonymous user payments) to the end of keeping creators funded and the Web alive as a viable economy. What's more, there's no way for us to make money with Brave Ads unless users opt in -- in which case they make >= what we make. Last thing: don't let someone use "free speech" as a confidence trick. Read the privacy policy.