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Leniency given government employees that is not given to private sector? There are certainly old boy networks and corruption in both, but I think your not awar

Leniency given government employees that is not given to private sector? There are certainly old boy networks and corruption in both, but I think your not aware of how serious some of the punishments in the "Encyclopedia of Ethical Lapses" are to an individual. This looks like a military publication, a letter in your personal file can be career ending and force you out early with no retirement. Compare that to the private sector: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/magazine/kay-jewelry-sexual-harassment.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/magazine/kay-jewelry-sexu...

4ntonius8lock 8y ago
Oh the horrors of getting a letter when you were taking bribery and extortion. Poor poor people. They have a it tough. Not like I... what happens to me if I engage in extortion again? Do I too get a 'horrible career ending letter'? No! Then it must be easy. It's not like my career would be over after I get out of jail with a criminal record. That's right. Civilian misbehaving has no consequences. Not like that letter. That letter is the hard core stuff of nightmares. Not like easy options like jail and massive fines.
- pnutjam 8y ago
  Did you read the book? Bribery and extortion are not "letter in your file" offenses. The book doesn't specify the punishment everyone received, but letter in your file was for things like improperly submitting receipts for travel, or hiring a buddies son-in-law. Prison or at least standard white-collar prosecution was doled out for bribery and extortion. (EDIT) The book in question: https://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/EncylopediaofEthicalFailures(2014).pdf https://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/EncylopediaofE... -search "bribe" and you will see all incidents resulted in prison time or had not been sentenced yet.
  - 4ntonius8lock 8y ago
    @ pnutjam Examples were taken from the book. The extortion was listed as 'cohersion'. Bribery was listed as such, no prison sentence or fine even. On my kindle it is Loc 76 and 84 of 3214. Taken from the "Encyclopedia of Ethical Failure - Revised September 2016: An Anthology of Unethical Conduct in the US Government." Since you first denied that government employees were treated different than private business, and then stated that my examples didn't exist... maybe it's time to reconsider why the defensive position against something that is so clearly factual? P.s. stating that there are negative consequences for government employee behavior doesn't address the assertion that there is a double standard and one is treated more leniently than another. I know government employees go to jail. That's not new. The difference in LENIENCY is what's at issue here.
- dang 8y ago
  You've posted a lot of flamewar-style comments to HN. It also looks like you might be using HN primarily for ideological battle. Those things are against the site guidelines; would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html This is important, because the hope is for HN to be a place of intellectual curiosity and thoughtful conversation. Those are fragile things which flamewars and ideological battle quickly kill. Special measures are needed to prevent reversion to the internet mean, which people (hopefully) come here to escape from. You might also find these links helpful for getting the spirit of this site: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html
  - 4ntonius8lock 8y ago
    You are right. I was inflammatory and that wasn't right. I'm not the least bit ideological though, I'm a complete pragmatist. I apologize for the combative attitude. I guess I am ideological in the fact that I believe emotionally driven decision making is flawed. There is no real evidence that so called rational though leads to better outcomes. Even though I feel that, and ironically feel strongly against emotionally driven issues, as I feel such perspectives are damaging to improving things.
    - dang 8y ago
      Your comment makes me realize that by "ideological battle" we mean something a bit broader than battling for a fixed ideological position. It also covers combativeness about ideologically charged topics. If you'd avoid doing that, and post rather out of curiosity and thoughtfulness, we'd be most grateful.
      - 4ntonius8lock 8y ago
        I'll think about this before posting again. Thank you for the instructions, I know it must be tough to keep this place as nice as it is. :)
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4ntonius8lock 8y ago

Oh the horrors of getting a letter when you were taking bribery and extortion. Poor poor people. They have a it tough. Not like I... what happens to me if I engage in extortion again? Do I too get a 'horrible career ending letter'? No! Then it must be easy. It's not like my career would be over after I get out of jail with a criminal record. That's right. Civilian misbehaving has no consequences. Not like that letter. That letter is the hard core stuff of nightmares. Not like easy options like jail and massive fines.

pnutjam 8y ago
Did you read the book? Bribery and extortion are not "letter in your file" offenses. The book doesn't specify the punishment everyone received, but letter in your file was for things like improperly submitting receipts for travel, or hiring a buddies son-in-law. Prison or at least standard white-collar prosecution was doled out for bribery and extortion. (EDIT) The book in question: https://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/EncylopediaofEthicalFailures(2014).pdf https://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/EncylopediaofE... -search "bribe" and you will see all incidents resulted in prison time or had not been sentenced yet.
- 4ntonius8lock 8y ago
  @ pnutjam Examples were taken from the book. The extortion was listed as 'cohersion'. Bribery was listed as such, no prison sentence or fine even. On my kindle it is Loc 76 and 84 of 3214. Taken from the "Encyclopedia of Ethical Failure - Revised September 2016: An Anthology of Unethical Conduct in the US Government." Since you first denied that government employees were treated different than private business, and then stated that my examples didn't exist... maybe it's time to reconsider why the defensive position against something that is so clearly factual? P.s. stating that there are negative consequences for government employee behavior doesn't address the assertion that there is a double standard and one is treated more leniently than another. I know government employees go to jail. That's not new. The difference in LENIENCY is what's at issue here.
dang 8y ago
You've posted a lot of flamewar-style comments to HN. It also looks like you might be using HN primarily for ideological battle. Those things are against the site guidelines; would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html This is important, because the hope is for HN to be a place of intellectual curiosity and thoughtful conversation. Those are fragile things which flamewars and ideological battle quickly kill. Special measures are needed to prevent reversion to the internet mean, which people (hopefully) come here to escape from. You might also find these links helpful for getting the spirit of this site: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html
- 4ntonius8lock 8y ago
  You are right. I was inflammatory and that wasn't right. I'm not the least bit ideological though, I'm a complete pragmatist. I apologize for the combative attitude. I guess I am ideological in the fact that I believe emotionally driven decision making is flawed. There is no real evidence that so called rational though leads to better outcomes. Even though I feel that, and ironically feel strongly against emotionally driven issues, as I feel such perspectives are damaging to improving things.
  - dang 8y ago
    Your comment makes me realize that by "ideological battle" we mean something a bit broader than battling for a fixed ideological position. It also covers combativeness about ideologically charged topics. If you'd avoid doing that, and post rather out of curiosity and thoughtfulness, we'd be most grateful.
    - 4ntonius8lock 8y ago
      I'll think about this before posting again. Thank you for the instructions, I know it must be tough to keep this place as nice as it is. :)

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