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I think Ive is preparing us for laptops without keyboards. Two screens, one that you type on. It's a dumb idea but I think they will go through with it.

chipotle_coyote 7y ago
It's quite possible that's what Ive personally would be happy with, but I don't think Apple's going to do that any time soon. As "courageous" as they like to be with jettisoning old technology, they're aware of what a PR fiasco their current generation of laptops has become. If anything, swapping back to low-profile scissor switches and quietly jettisoning the Touch Bar is the most likely next-gen MBP shift.
- TMWNN 7y ago
  If Touch Bar were in addition to the function keys + Escape key, everyone would praise it as yet another brilliant Apple innovation, and rivals would be copying it the way every notebook nowadays looks like the late-2008 unibody Macbook Pro (and really, all the way back to the 2001 titanium PowerBook). But it's not, so they don't and they aren't.
  - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
    It's possible. It's not impossible that if they'd just kept the hardware escape key and replaced the function keys with the Touch Bar it would have gotten a warmer reception; I think Apple really underestimated (a) how much of the MBP's loudest and most influential audience is comprised of developers or developer-adjacent techies, and (b) how many of those folks are really attached to their escape key. Personally I would be a lot happier with that -- in practice, I don't really miss the function keys and media keys, and I've actually used some of the Touch Bar functionality once in a while, but not having the escape key makes me angry and I'm not even a dedicated Vim user.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      I think techies overestimate their influence. The Mac’s revenue was the highest it’s ever been last quarter. The lack of an escape key didn’t hurt sells.
      - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
        Techies are a pretty big subset of MacBook Pro buyers, specifically, and that's the only line that has models in it with no escape key. The last quarter was the first one that the new MacBook Air was on sale -- the Air being one of Apple's most popular laptops and the one that had gone years without an update. That drove a lot of the sales that quarter. Were a lot of techies buying the Air? I don't know. But you know what the new Air has? An escape key. :)
asdff 7y ago
At that point I'd duct tape a magic keyboard on the laptop and watch the Ive fanboys rage.

chipotle_coyote 7y ago

It's quite possible that's what Ive personally would be happy with, but I don't think Apple's going to do that any time soon. As "courageous" as they like to be with jettisoning old technology, they're aware of what a PR fiasco their current generation of laptops has become. If anything, swapping back to low-profile scissor switches and quietly jettisoning the Touch Bar is the most likely next-gen MBP shift.

TMWNN 7y ago
If Touch Bar were in addition to the function keys + Escape key, everyone would praise it as yet another brilliant Apple innovation, and rivals would be copying it the way every notebook nowadays looks like the late-2008 unibody Macbook Pro (and really, all the way back to the 2001 titanium PowerBook). But it's not, so they don't and they aren't.
- chipotle_coyote 7y ago
  It's possible. It's not impossible that if they'd just kept the hardware escape key and replaced the function keys with the Touch Bar it would have gotten a warmer reception; I think Apple really underestimated (a) how much of the MBP's loudest and most influential audience is comprised of developers or developer-adjacent techies, and (b) how many of those folks are really attached to their escape key. Personally I would be a lot happier with that -- in practice, I don't really miss the function keys and media keys, and I've actually used some of the Touch Bar functionality once in a while, but not having the escape key makes me angry and I'm not even a dedicated Vim user.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    I think techies overestimate their influence. The Mac’s revenue was the highest it’s ever been last quarter. The lack of an escape key didn’t hurt sells.
    - chipotle_coyote 7y ago
      Techies are a pretty big subset of MacBook Pro buyers, specifically, and that's the only line that has models in it with no escape key. The last quarter was the first one that the new MacBook Air was on sale -- the Air being one of Apple's most popular laptops and the one that had gone years without an update. That drove a lot of the sales that quarter. Were a lot of techies buying the Air? I don't know. But you know what the new Air has? An escape key. :)

asdff 7y ago

At that point I'd duct tape a magic keyboard on the laptop and watch the Ive fanboys rage.