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I made sure to watch this interview and its being discussed energetically on Hacker News, so if Zuckerberg fooled 60 minute he's fooled everyone else too. I fou

I made sure to watch this interview and its being discussed energetically on Hacker News, so if Zuckerberg fooled 60 minute he's fooled everyone else too. I found the interview extremely interesting - Facebook is becoming a gargantuan and Zuckerberg is on the level of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates now. I know that they got their share of interviews done on their terms in their heydays.

gnaritas 16y ago
> and Zuckerberg is on the level of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates now He really isn't. Jobs and Gates brought PC's to the masses, nothing Zuck has done is on that level, not even close.
- puredemo 16y ago
  Zuckerberg brought the use of profile-based websites into the mainstream for hundreds of millions of people. It's a massive shift in communications.
  - shock-value 16y ago
    It's not that massive. So you can send short messages to your friends that your other friends can also see. Cool, but, not exactly a rival to the birth of personal computing.
    - natrius 16y ago
      People know more about the lives of their friends and family than they ever have before, and with far less effort. Facebook has dramatically strengthened weak social ties, and judging by the existence of cities, social ties are fairly important to our societies. The company has had significant and meaningful effects on the world, and we're only beginning to understand them.
      - danieldon 16y ago
        People know more about the lives of their friends and family than they ever have before Wow. I couldn't disagree more. Event notifications are probably the only thing that is substantially more useful in facebook as far as I can tell. Aside from that, the only additional knowledge I've gained from facebook is that a handful of people who I barely remember from high school really like reposting stuff from r/pics. My family has been active on facebook for years, but it's had nothing remotely close to a revolutionary impact on how we communicate.
        natrius 16y ago
        There's a ton of stuff that goes on in our lives that don't merit notifying everyone about directly, but might merit posting a status or picture to Facebook. It reduces the friction involved in sharing information. I don't think I ever would've seen as many pictures of the random events in the lives of my family and friends without Facebook. That's valuable to me. I also have a much better idea of the interests of acquaintances and people I haven't seen in a while since the links they share shed some light on that. Of course more direct communication still happens outside of Facebook. I think that "random nonsense" is more valuable to people that you're assuming. Presumably, people wouldn't use Facebook if they didn't find it valuable.
        danieldon 16y ago
        I don't think I ever would've seen as many pictures of the random events in the lives of my family and friends without Facebook That hasn't been my experience at all. Seriously. Savy people use/used flickr, others used Myspace, and handful used photobucket, others use/used awful photo sharing sites like kodak's and others use/used email. In my experience, most of the additional volume of photos on my wall are from people I should probably defriend since I barely know who they are. I think that "random nonsense" is more valuable to people that you're assuming It seems to me, both by looking at my own wall and what people post online, that the nonsense is at most a simple diversion, just like many other diversions that exist and have existed for years. Despite the fact that many of my friends and family members are productive people who are well-known in their respective fields, I have yet to see anything of any substance actually occur on facebook. The closest thing to actual substance in that regard would be events. And the computer illiterates? The volume hasn't changed, they just post their stuff to facebook rather than CCing everyone in their address book 1-3 times a day.
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    - khafra 16y ago
      The value of facebook to a person varies dramatically based on whether that person's friends and family would previously overcome the trivial inconvenience[1] of communicating with them in pre-facebook ways. [1] lesswrong.com/lw/f1/beware_trivial_inconveniences/
- eagleal 16y ago
  In the eyes of a lot of non tech-savvy people (like my parents, or lots of facebook users), Zuckenberg (or the guy who invented Facebook) is more known than Jobs (the guy who [co-]invented Apple). Despite how those actions weight.
  - gnaritas 16y ago
    Popularity does not equal impact. Jobs and Gates changed the world in a massive way, and brought something new to it; Facebook didn't, people had access to similar sites long before Facebook. If Facebook disappeared tomorrow, the world would chug on and barely miss a beat; if personal computers disappeared tomorrow, the world would collapse.
- tzs 16y ago
  But he's aiming for something on that level: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/57933bb8-fcd9-11df-ae2d-00144feab49a.html#axzz17BFI1gMU http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/57933bb8-fcd9-11df-ae2d-00144feab4...

gnaritas 16y ago

> and Zuckerberg is on the level of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates now He really isn't. Jobs and Gates brought PC's to the masses, nothing Zuck has done is on that level, not even close.

puredemo 16y ago
Zuckerberg brought the use of profile-based websites into the mainstream for hundreds of millions of people. It's a massive shift in communications.
- shock-value 16y ago
  It's not that massive. So you can send short messages to your friends that your other friends can also see. Cool, but, not exactly a rival to the birth of personal computing.
  - natrius 16y ago
    People know more about the lives of their friends and family than they ever have before, and with far less effort. Facebook has dramatically strengthened weak social ties, and judging by the existence of cities, social ties are fairly important to our societies. The company has had significant and meaningful effects on the world, and we're only beginning to understand them.
    - danieldon 16y ago
      People know more about the lives of their friends and family than they ever have before Wow. I couldn't disagree more. Event notifications are probably the only thing that is substantially more useful in facebook as far as I can tell. Aside from that, the only additional knowledge I've gained from facebook is that a handful of people who I barely remember from high school really like reposting stuff from r/pics. My family has been active on facebook for years, but it's had nothing remotely close to a revolutionary impact on how we communicate.
      - natrius 16y ago
        There's a ton of stuff that goes on in our lives that don't merit notifying everyone about directly, but might merit posting a status or picture to Facebook. It reduces the friction involved in sharing information. I don't think I ever would've seen as many pictures of the random events in the lives of my family and friends without Facebook. That's valuable to me. I also have a much better idea of the interests of acquaintances and people I haven't seen in a while since the links they share shed some light on that. Of course more direct communication still happens outside of Facebook. I think that "random nonsense" is more valuable to people that you're assuming. Presumably, people wouldn't use Facebook if they didn't find it valuable.
        danieldon 16y ago
        I don't think I ever would've seen as many pictures of the random events in the lives of my family and friends without Facebook That hasn't been my experience at all. Seriously. Savy people use/used flickr, others used Myspace, and handful used photobucket, others use/used awful photo sharing sites like kodak's and others use/used email. In my experience, most of the additional volume of photos on my wall are from people I should probably defriend since I barely know who they are. I think that "random nonsense" is more valuable to people that you're assuming It seems to me, both by looking at my own wall and what people post online, that the nonsense is at most a simple diversion, just like many other diversions that exist and have existed for years. Despite the fact that many of my friends and family members are productive people who are well-known in their respective fields, I have yet to see anything of any substance actually occur on facebook. The closest thing to actual substance in that regard would be events. And the computer illiterates? The volume hasn't changed, they just post their stuff to facebook rather than CCing everyone in their address book 1-3 times a day.
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  - khafra 16y ago
    The value of facebook to a person varies dramatically based on whether that person's friends and family would previously overcome the trivial inconvenience[1] of communicating with them in pre-facebook ways. [1] lesswrong.com/lw/f1/beware_trivial_inconveniences/
eagleal 16y ago
In the eyes of a lot of non tech-savvy people (like my parents, or lots of facebook users), Zuckenberg (or the guy who invented Facebook) is more known than Jobs (the guy who [co-]invented Apple). Despite how those actions weight.
- gnaritas 16y ago
  Popularity does not equal impact. Jobs and Gates changed the world in a massive way, and brought something new to it; Facebook didn't, people had access to similar sites long before Facebook. If Facebook disappeared tomorrow, the world would chug on and barely miss a beat; if personal computers disappeared tomorrow, the world would collapse.
tzs 16y ago
But he's aiming for something on that level: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/57933bb8-fcd9-11df-ae2d-00144feab49a.html#axzz17BFI1gMU http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/57933bb8-fcd9-11df-ae2d-00144feab4...