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> someone should definitely get fired over the 3 year keyboard fiasco Tim Cook. His time is up, Apple needs new leadership so they can move past their Ballmer

by ProAm 8y ago

> someone should definitely get fired over the 3 year keyboard fiasco Tim Cook. His time is up, Apple needs new leadership so they can move past their Ballmer era

scarface74 8y ago
Most of Apple’s rebound can be attributed to two people - Jobs for the vision and Tim Cook for turning around their operations. There is no next iPhone type product on the horizon. The smart phone already has 66% penetration in the world. Anything that Apple introduces is going to pale in comparison.
- ProAm 8y ago
  Apple cant innovate because they wait for others to invest something and then they try to improve it. Thats why they are moving into subscriptions to get MRR or ARR. Build a moat that people forget they throw money into every month and call it profit and revenue. It will certainly work, but its just not the Apple that made people proud to use Apple.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Exactly what area should they invest in that could make even a 10% difference in their revenue? What technology do you see in the foreseeable future that will be even a fifth of the size of the phone market? Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if even the Apple Watch isn’t more successful than any other consumer electronics besides the smart phone and the PC. If you define success in terms of profitability.
    - ProAm 8y ago
      I'd love a good new Macbook Pro I want to buy. Or even a good Mac Pro to start with. I get it, Apple is in their Ballmer era, making tons of money so no one is allowed to argue. But it doesn't 'just work' anymore. They've fallen from grace, which admittedly is hard because they were so good its hard to always move upward. But they are in stagnation and a little embarrassment now. Tell me these keyboards are awesome? The touchbar useful. The battery life in exchange for thinness amazing.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        Even if they did come up with a new Macbook Pro or MacPro that wouldn't qualify as "innovation" and definitely wouldn't answer the question: Exactly what area should they invest in that could make even a 10% difference in their revenue? What technology do you see in the foreseeable future that will be even a fifth of the size of the phone market?
        ProAm 8y ago
        This is why Cook needs to go. I can't answer that question for them, and neither can he. Do you really think the future of Apple is subscription services? Thrilling.
        scarface74 8y ago
        The phone market has 66% worldwide penetration. It was clear years before the first iPhone came out that the mobile phone was going to be ubiquitous. As early as 2003-2004, many middle class middle school and high school kids had cell phones. If it were that easy to find the next electronic device that would have 66% world wide penetration who do you propose is the person to find it? People were clamoring for an iPod + phone for years before the iPhone came out. What electronic device are people clamoring for now?
        ProAm 8y ago
        > If it were that easy to find the next electronic device that would have 66% world wide penetration who do you propose is the person to find it? Of course its not easy, but I would hope that the CEO of one of the most valuable companies on earth would have that kind of foresight and skill. That's what he is there for, or to hire people that can do that. They're not and that's my point. Time for some significant changes at the helm. > People were clamoring for an iPod + phone for years before the iPhone came out. What electronic device are people clamoring for now? These devices were already out before the iPhone, the iPhone was just more polished, and the ability to buy from iTunes was huge. This is where Jobs deserves his credit, not for inventing a device that was a phone, camera and music player in one, but for making it a good experience. These new MBP's are a horrible experience.
pier25 8y ago
Apple has never been more profitable.
- ProAm 8y ago
  Same as MS under Ballmer
  - scarface74 8y ago
    If another CEO could do better, which company has come out with a consumer electronics product as successful as the Apple Watch since 2011?
    - ProAm 8y ago
      Tesla
      - scarface74 8y ago
        Seeing that they aren’t profitable yet, I wouldn’t call it a “success”. Once they can make a product at a price that people are willing to pay and make a profit. Then you can call it successful. Anybody can sell dollar bills for 95 cents. Seeing that the Tesla is neither profitable nor ubiquitous- how do you define it as a “success”?
        ProAm 8y ago
        People want to use their new products instead of feeling stuck in an ecosystem they can't leave.
        scarface74 8y ago
        You’ve done surveys?

by ProAm 8y ago

> someone should definitely get fired over the 3 year keyboard fiasco Tim Cook. His time is up, Apple needs new leadership so they can move past their Ballmer era

scarface74 8y ago

Most of Apple’s rebound can be attributed to two people - Jobs for the vision and Tim Cook for turning around their operations. There is no next iPhone type product on the horizon. The smart phone already has 66% penetration in the world. Anything that Apple introduces is going to pale in comparison.

ProAm 8y ago
Apple cant innovate because they wait for others to invest something and then they try to improve it. Thats why they are moving into subscriptions to get MRR or ARR. Build a moat that people forget they throw money into every month and call it profit and revenue. It will certainly work, but its just not the Apple that made people proud to use Apple.
- scarface74 8y ago
  Exactly what area should they invest in that could make even a 10% difference in their revenue? What technology do you see in the foreseeable future that will be even a fifth of the size of the phone market? Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if even the Apple Watch isn’t more successful than any other consumer electronics besides the smart phone and the PC. If you define success in terms of profitability.
  - ProAm 8y ago
    I'd love a good new Macbook Pro I want to buy. Or even a good Mac Pro to start with. I get it, Apple is in their Ballmer era, making tons of money so no one is allowed to argue. But it doesn't 'just work' anymore. They've fallen from grace, which admittedly is hard because they were so good its hard to always move upward. But they are in stagnation and a little embarrassment now. Tell me these keyboards are awesome? The touchbar useful. The battery life in exchange for thinness amazing.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Even if they did come up with a new Macbook Pro or MacPro that wouldn't qualify as "innovation" and definitely wouldn't answer the question: Exactly what area should they invest in that could make even a 10% difference in their revenue? What technology do you see in the foreseeable future that will be even a fifth of the size of the phone market?
      - ProAm 8y ago
        This is why Cook needs to go. I can't answer that question for them, and neither can he. Do you really think the future of Apple is subscription services? Thrilling.
        scarface74 8y ago
        The phone market has 66% worldwide penetration. It was clear years before the first iPhone came out that the mobile phone was going to be ubiquitous. As early as 2003-2004, many middle class middle school and high school kids had cell phones. If it were that easy to find the next electronic device that would have 66% world wide penetration who do you propose is the person to find it? People were clamoring for an iPod + phone for years before the iPhone came out. What electronic device are people clamoring for now?
        ProAm 8y ago
        > If it were that easy to find the next electronic device that would have 66% world wide penetration who do you propose is the person to find it? Of course its not easy, but I would hope that the CEO of one of the most valuable companies on earth would have that kind of foresight and skill. That's what he is there for, or to hire people that can do that. They're not and that's my point. Time for some significant changes at the helm. > People were clamoring for an iPod + phone for years before the iPhone came out. What electronic device are people clamoring for now? These devices were already out before the iPhone, the iPhone was just more polished, and the ability to buy from iTunes was huge. This is where Jobs deserves his credit, not for inventing a device that was a phone, camera and music player in one, but for making it a good experience. These new MBP's are a horrible experience.

pier25 8y ago

Apple has never been more profitable.

ProAm 8y ago
Same as MS under Ballmer
- scarface74 8y ago
  If another CEO could do better, which company has come out with a consumer electronics product as successful as the Apple Watch since 2011?
  - ProAm 8y ago
    Tesla
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Seeing that they aren’t profitable yet, I wouldn’t call it a “success”. Once they can make a product at a price that people are willing to pay and make a profit. Then you can call it successful. Anybody can sell dollar bills for 95 cents. Seeing that the Tesla is neither profitable nor ubiquitous- how do you define it as a “success”?
      - ProAm 8y ago
        People want to use their new products instead of feeling stuck in an ecosystem they can't leave.
        scarface74 8y ago
        You’ve done surveys?