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I do occasionally give take homes that could take this long but it is only when the candidate is purely junior and doesn't have much/any work to review and show

by j2bax 7y ago

I do occasionally give take homes that could take this long but it is only when the candidate is purely junior and doesn't have much/any work to review and show for themselves, but shows a lot of promise from a general employee perspective. I always let them know that they are welcome to use this work in their portfolio. I also let them know that we have senior level staff available to answer any questions they may have as they are working through it. We want to know how they approach problems, how able they are to figure things out, and if they know when its appropriate to reach out for help. I would never use this work for anything outside of this testing environment. If you are wanting to make a major career jump and haven't spent a whole lot of time building up your Github or filling out your portfolio, be ready to jump through some serious hoops.

andrew_ 7y ago
> but it is only when I hope you're compensating them for the time. Junior, or otherwise, that's disrespectful of the candidate's time. > be ready to jump through some serious hoops Eesh. This is just an abject example on just how bad the hiring process has become.
- j2bax 7y ago
  >I hope you're compensating them for the time. Junior, or otherwise, that's disrespectful of the candidate's time. Typically, we provide a small compensation for the candidates time, although it probably doesn't amount to a lot per hour. >Eesh. This is just an abject example on just how bad the hiring process has become. To be fair they can jump through hoops on their own and build up a body of work through personal projects etc and we will make a hiring decision based on that or we will provide them beautifully designed test assets and ask them to make something functional to the best of their ability. When they are done, hopefully its something that they can be proud of and build upon, whether we hire them or not. We put ourselves at their full disposal to help them wherever they are at as they complete the test project.
jiveturkey 7y ago
> I do occasionally give take homes that could take this long but it is only when the candidate [has no history]. That's fair IMHO, however not the complaint here. It's that after so much effort, the candidate got ghosted.
collyw 7y ago
> I always let them know that they are welcome to use this work in their portfolio. Why would they assume otherwise? You have made no payment and have no ownership of this as far as I am concerned. Edit: I see in a subsequent post that you do offer a small payment.
- j2bax 7y ago
  Well, some people are cautious when they are working with assets provided by someone else... where and how they share it. I wouldn't just assume I can put IP provided by someone else on my portfolio without written consent.

by j2bax 7y ago

andrew_ 7y ago

> but it is only when I hope you're compensating them for the time. Junior, or otherwise, that's disrespectful of the candidate's time. > be ready to jump through some serious hoops Eesh. This is just an abject example on just how bad the hiring process has become.

j2bax 7y ago
>I hope you're compensating them for the time. Junior, or otherwise, that's disrespectful of the candidate's time. Typically, we provide a small compensation for the candidates time, although it probably doesn't amount to a lot per hour. >Eesh. This is just an abject example on just how bad the hiring process has become. To be fair they can jump through hoops on their own and build up a body of work through personal projects etc and we will make a hiring decision based on that or we will provide them beautifully designed test assets and ask them to make something functional to the best of their ability. When they are done, hopefully its something that they can be proud of and build upon, whether we hire them or not. We put ourselves at their full disposal to help them wherever they are at as they complete the test project.

jiveturkey 7y ago

> I do occasionally give take homes that could take this long but it is only when the candidate [has no history]. That's fair IMHO, however not the complaint here. It's that after so much effort, the candidate got ghosted.

collyw 7y ago

> I always let them know that they are welcome to use this work in their portfolio. Why would they assume otherwise? You have made no payment and have no ownership of this as far as I am concerned. Edit: I see in a subsequent post that you do offer a small payment.

j2bax 7y ago
Well, some people are cautious when they are working with assets provided by someone else... where and how they share it. I wouldn't just assume I can put IP provided by someone else on my portfolio without written consent.