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Tesla might beat them to production, Rivian is already backlogged to 2022 with preorders and they have yet to manufacture a vehicle that is not a prototype.

chrisseaton 7y ago
Are Tesla doing a SUV? Everyone said the X was an SUV, but it looks more like a hatchback! I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad.
- sabareesh 7y ago
  There are so many predictions on how it will look but yes they are making pickup truck and possibly unveiling the prototype later this year. If found some info here https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/ https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/
- DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
  I own (and love) my Model X. It’s big - but not Escalade-big. It’s more accurately described as a large crossover (CUX? XUV?) than a true SUV. Confusingly Tesla refers to the smaller Model Y as a Crossover even though it’s closer to an MPV (Ford C-Max) than a Crossover like a Honda Pilot. I think they’re justifying it by the fact you can get it in a 7-seat config.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad. Haven't Tesla explicity forbidden the vehicles from going off-road through voiding the warranty?
  - adanto6840 7y ago
    I'm decently sure that voiding the warranty for off-road usage would violate US law? I really don't think there's a whole lot you can do to void a vehicle's warranty in the US -- outside of intentional / malicious / collision damage. Any damage caused by off-road usage may sometimes fall under collision damage, but generally I don't think that usage which is legal and non-negligent would void a warranty in the US. I'm not even sure if negligent usage would invalidate a warranty claim, though likely depends on the circumstances. Note that IANAL -- just a consumer who often sees very clearly wrong "voids your warranty" statements far too often. I don't claim to know the precise hypotheticals here either, but I am confident that it's truly difficult to void your entire warranty (at least in the US). Sure, pulling your touchscreen out and damaging it in the process = no warranty for the touchscreen. But if an axle subsequently snaps, the manufacturer cannot legally (in the US) deny your warranty claim based on other unrelated vehicle modifications.
    - gamblor956 7y ago
      There's no law that would prevent manufacturers from saying that a product warranty is voided if it is used for purposes other than its clearly intended use. It would be one thing for a car maker to say that the warranty for a normal car is voided by normal use (i.e., driving on a road), but off-road driving is a very different beast from regular, on-road driving. Off-road vehicles like Jeeps and Suburus are made with special suspensions and drive trains for a reason...
      - AshleyGrant 7y ago
        >There's no law that would prevent manufacturers from saying that a product warranty is voided if it is used for purposes other than its clearly intended use. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act The onus is on the manufacturer to prove the consumer’s actions caused the product to fail. And off-road use (not rock climbing but driving on dirt roads) is normal use of any vehicle.
        gamblor956 7y ago
        The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act doesn't do what you think it does...In fact, it explicitly provides that warranties are not required and that the scope can be limited by the warranty-provider, so long as the limitations are fair. See https://www.edmunds.com/auto-warranty/what-voids-your-vehicles-warranty.html https://www.edmunds.com/auto-warranty/what-voids-your-vehicl.... Car industry experts agree that off-roading will generally void the warranty of any car not sold as an off-road model, or with off-road capabilities that are advertised as such (like 4WD). This is because, as I previously stated, the demands placed by off-road use are very different from the demands of normal road use. Also see the insurance/warranty limitations for any vehicle rented on the Big Island of Hawaii, which all deny coverage related to the off-road use of any vehicle that doesn't have 4WD.
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  - jhayward 7y ago
    My F-150's warranty is void if used off-road under some circumstances. In other words, that's a standard warranty term.
- DeonPenny 7y ago
  It won't look like a SUV cause SUV's have big drag coefficents

chrisseaton 7y ago

Are Tesla doing a SUV? Everyone said the X was an SUV, but it looks more like a hatchback! I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad.

sabareesh 7y ago
There are so many predictions on how it will look but yes they are making pickup truck and possibly unveiling the prototype later this year. If found some info here https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/ https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/
DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
I own (and love) my Model X. It’s big - but not Escalade-big. It’s more accurately described as a large crossover (CUX? XUV?) than a true SUV. Confusingly Tesla refers to the smaller Model Y as a Crossover even though it’s closer to an MPV (Ford C-Max) than a Crossover like a Honda Pilot. I think they’re justifying it by the fact you can get it in a 7-seat config.
navigatesol 7y ago
>I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad. Haven't Tesla explicity forbidden the vehicles from going off-road through voiding the warranty?
- adanto6840 7y ago
  I'm decently sure that voiding the warranty for off-road usage would violate US law? I really don't think there's a whole lot you can do to void a vehicle's warranty in the US -- outside of intentional / malicious / collision damage. Any damage caused by off-road usage may sometimes fall under collision damage, but generally I don't think that usage which is legal and non-negligent would void a warranty in the US. I'm not even sure if negligent usage would invalidate a warranty claim, though likely depends on the circumstances. Note that IANAL -- just a consumer who often sees very clearly wrong "voids your warranty" statements far too often. I don't claim to know the precise hypotheticals here either, but I am confident that it's truly difficult to void your entire warranty (at least in the US). Sure, pulling your touchscreen out and damaging it in the process = no warranty for the touchscreen. But if an axle subsequently snaps, the manufacturer cannot legally (in the US) deny your warranty claim based on other unrelated vehicle modifications.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    There's no law that would prevent manufacturers from saying that a product warranty is voided if it is used for purposes other than its clearly intended use. It would be one thing for a car maker to say that the warranty for a normal car is voided by normal use (i.e., driving on a road), but off-road driving is a very different beast from regular, on-road driving. Off-road vehicles like Jeeps and Suburus are made with special suspensions and drive trains for a reason...
    - AshleyGrant 7y ago
      >There's no law that would prevent manufacturers from saying that a product warranty is voided if it is used for purposes other than its clearly intended use. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act The onus is on the manufacturer to prove the consumer’s actions caused the product to fail. And off-road use (not rock climbing but driving on dirt roads) is normal use of any vehicle.
      - gamblor956 7y ago
        The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act doesn't do what you think it does...In fact, it explicitly provides that warranties are not required and that the scope can be limited by the warranty-provider, so long as the limitations are fair. See https://www.edmunds.com/auto-warranty/what-voids-your-vehicles-warranty.html https://www.edmunds.com/auto-warranty/what-voids-your-vehicl.... Car industry experts agree that off-roading will generally void the warranty of any car not sold as an off-road model, or with off-road capabilities that are advertised as such (like 4WD). This is because, as I previously stated, the demands placed by off-road use are very different from the demands of normal road use. Also see the insurance/warranty limitations for any vehicle rented on the Big Island of Hawaii, which all deny coverage related to the off-road use of any vehicle that doesn't have 4WD.
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- jhayward 7y ago
  My F-150's warranty is void if used off-road under some circumstances. In other words, that's a standard warranty term.
DeonPenny 7y ago
It won't look like a SUV cause SUV's have big drag coefficents