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Anyone know when these will hit the market? I'd love an electric SUV. As much as I would PREFER a self driving SUV (level 4+), I don't see that being truly amen

Anyone know when these will hit the market? I'd love an electric SUV. As much as I would PREFER a self driving SUV (level 4+), I don't see that being truly amenable in the next 5 years.

stetrain 7y ago
The models Rivian has announced are supposed to go into production next year (2020). The more investment they get the more likely I think it is that they hit that goal, but they're already taking preorders and production will probably be limited at first so there might be a wait.
leesec 7y ago
They're supposed to go into production end of next year. Given that they haven't even built a working one, I'd say that's optimistic, but I do hope they succeed! We will see how much the extra investment they have is going to speed up the process.
- bluejekyll 7y ago
  > Given that they haven't even built a working one Do you mean off their main production line? They’ve been testing the base platform for years, and their demo vehicles look to be complete.
  - grecy 7y ago
    Just this week at the LA Auto show Rivian's head designer confirmed the pickup on display is the only one they have ever built, and it was built by hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA6P0snL3hE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA6P0snL3hE
    - adanto6840 7y ago
      The interview begins at yellow marker, ~4:00. Maybe it's just me, and I guess it's really just a personal 'pet peeve', but is it off-putting to anyone else how he constantly saying "gives ME ...", "I have four motors", "so I can...", etc... Perhaps I've been driving people crazy all these years, but "we" usually sounds so much better (even if it is just you) and a lot less ... lousy and self-centered. Maybe he really is the guy -- it just rubs me a little wrong, especially when I suspect it really is we -- as in, the team.
  - leesec 7y ago
    I just mean that I haven't seen any footage of a Rivian actually being used or doing what they say. There are marketing videos but for all I know that's an F-150 with a new skin. You would assume if they really had something with 410 mile range they would have a journalist come and do some long drive, I.E. Tesla going from LA->SF two days ago. Or showing off it's acceleration. I really don't think they have even a single working truck that does what they say it does yet. Not to say they're a fraud, just that they're not there yet.
    - jhayward 7y ago
      They have previously confirmed that they use F-150s as test mules for the drive train.
      - bluejekyll 7y ago
        As I've understood it, and this might be what you mean, it's just the F150 bodies that were put on top of the Rivian Skateboard. And that's what they've been testing for years.
sabareesh 7y ago
Tesla might beat them to production, Rivian is already backlogged to 2022 with preorders and they have yet to manufacture a vehicle that is not a prototype.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  Are Tesla doing a SUV? Everyone said the X was an SUV, but it looks more like a hatchback! I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad.
  - sabareesh 7y ago
    There are so many predictions on how it will look but yes they are making pickup truck and possibly unveiling the prototype later this year. If found some info here https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/ https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/
  - DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
    I own (and love) my Model X. It’s big - but not Escalade-big. It’s more accurately described as a large crossover (CUX? XUV?) than a true SUV. Confusingly Tesla refers to the smaller Model Y as a Crossover even though it’s closer to an MPV (Ford C-Max) than a Crossover like a Honda Pilot. I think they’re justifying it by the fact you can get it in a 7-seat config.
  - navigatesol 7y ago
    >I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad. Haven't Tesla explicity forbidden the vehicles from going off-road through voiding the warranty?
    - adanto6840 7y ago
      I'm decently sure that voiding the warranty for off-road usage would violate US law? I really don't think there's a whole lot you can do to void a vehicle's warranty in the US -- outside of intentional / malicious / collision damage. Any damage caused by off-road usage may sometimes fall under collision damage, but generally I don't think that usage which is legal and non-negligent would void a warranty in the US. I'm not even sure if negligent usage would invalidate a warranty claim, though likely depends on the circumstances. Note that IANAL -- just a consumer who often sees very clearly wrong "voids your warranty" statements far too often. I don't claim to know the precise hypotheticals here either, but I am confident that it's truly difficult to void your entire warranty (at least in the US). Sure, pulling your touchscreen out and damaging it in the process = no warranty for the touchscreen. But if an axle subsequently snaps, the manufacturer cannot legally (in the US) deny your warranty claim based on other unrelated vehicle modifications.

Anyone know when these will hit the market? I'd love an electric SUV. As much as I would PREFER a self driving SUV (level 4+), I don't see that being truly amenable in the next 5 years.

stetrain 7y ago

The models Rivian has announced are supposed to go into production next year (2020). The more investment they get the more likely I think it is that they hit that goal, but they're already taking preorders and production will probably be limited at first so there might be a wait.

leesec 7y ago

They're supposed to go into production end of next year. Given that they haven't even built a working one, I'd say that's optimistic, but I do hope they succeed! We will see how much the extra investment they have is going to speed up the process.

bluejekyll 7y ago
> Given that they haven't even built a working one Do you mean off their main production line? They’ve been testing the base platform for years, and their demo vehicles look to be complete.
- grecy 7y ago
  Just this week at the LA Auto show Rivian's head designer confirmed the pickup on display is the only one they have ever built, and it was built by hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA6P0snL3hE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA6P0snL3hE
  - adanto6840 7y ago
    The interview begins at yellow marker, ~4:00. Maybe it's just me, and I guess it's really just a personal 'pet peeve', but is it off-putting to anyone else how he constantly saying "gives ME ...", "I have four motors", "so I can...", etc... Perhaps I've been driving people crazy all these years, but "we" usually sounds so much better (even if it is just you) and a lot less ... lousy and self-centered. Maybe he really is the guy -- it just rubs me a little wrong, especially when I suspect it really is we -- as in, the team.
- leesec 7y ago
  I just mean that I haven't seen any footage of a Rivian actually being used or doing what they say. There are marketing videos but for all I know that's an F-150 with a new skin. You would assume if they really had something with 410 mile range they would have a journalist come and do some long drive, I.E. Tesla going from LA->SF two days ago. Or showing off it's acceleration. I really don't think they have even a single working truck that does what they say it does yet. Not to say they're a fraud, just that they're not there yet.
  - jhayward 7y ago
    They have previously confirmed that they use F-150s as test mules for the drive train.
    - bluejekyll 7y ago
      As I've understood it, and this might be what you mean, it's just the F150 bodies that were put on top of the Rivian Skateboard. And that's what they've been testing for years.

sabareesh 7y ago

Tesla might beat them to production, Rivian is already backlogged to 2022 with preorders and they have yet to manufacture a vehicle that is not a prototype.

chrisseaton 7y ago
Are Tesla doing a SUV? Everyone said the X was an SUV, but it looks more like a hatchback! I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad.
- sabareesh 7y ago
  There are so many predictions on how it will look but yes they are making pickup truck and possibly unveiling the prototype later this year. If found some info here https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/ https://insideevs.com/tag/tesla-pickup-truck/
- DaiPlusPlus 7y ago
  I own (and love) my Model X. It’s big - but not Escalade-big. It’s more accurately described as a large crossover (CUX? XUV?) than a true SUV. Confusingly Tesla refers to the smaller Model Y as a Crossover even though it’s closer to an MPV (Ford C-Max) than a Crossover like a Honda Pilot. I think they’re justifying it by the fact you can get it in a 7-seat config.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >I can't imagine it'd be capable offroad. Haven't Tesla explicity forbidden the vehicles from going off-road through voiding the warranty?
  - adanto6840 7y ago
    I'm decently sure that voiding the warranty for off-road usage would violate US law? I really don't think there's a whole lot you can do to void a vehicle's warranty in the US -- outside of intentional / malicious / collision damage. Any damage caused by off-road usage may sometimes fall under collision damage, but generally I don't think that usage which is legal and non-negligent would void a warranty in the US. I'm not even sure if negligent usage would invalidate a warranty claim, though likely depends on the circumstances. Note that IANAL -- just a consumer who often sees very clearly wrong "voids your warranty" statements far too often. I don't claim to know the precise hypotheticals here either, but I am confident that it's truly difficult to void your entire warranty (at least in the US). Sure, pulling your touchscreen out and damaging it in the process = no warranty for the touchscreen. But if an axle subsequently snaps, the manufacturer cannot legally (in the US) deny your warranty claim based on other unrelated vehicle modifications.