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But after the second crash of the revamped Max model, a poll conducted by Business Insider suggested 53 per cent of American adults never want to fly on a 737 M

But after the second crash of the revamped Max model, a poll conducted by Business Insider suggested 53 per cent of American adults never want to fly on a 737 Max, even once it's deemed safe to do so It's Business Insider using the results of a Survey Monkey poll to make wild claims about the views of more than 100 million American adults.

Kurtz79 8y ago
Isn't it the same for every opinion poll ever, though? Even with a small sample(1100 according to the article at BI), does it really matter if it's 60% or 40% instead of 53%, to show that people would be worried of flying on this plane?
sametmax 8y ago
Most people don't even know the name of the plane, those who know rarely remember to check for it, and the rest that do will have forgotten in a few months.
- Arnt 8y ago
  Sometimes that's how it goes, and sometimes the mud sticks. In six months or two years or whatever, e.g. Emirates has to confirm or cancel a 737max order. How will Emirates forecast the future public perception? Is the Boeing aircraft so much cheaper than Airbus (Emirates has both) that it's worth a risk to Emirates if the mud sticks?
- armitron 8y ago
  I've decided never to fly Boeing ever again (not just the 737 max). I'm pretty sure I'll remember just fine and stick to my decision. Everyone I have had discussions with about this issue is also not willing to fly 737 max and for some this extends to Boeing as a whole.
  - linuxftw 8y ago
    I will book Airbus whenever possible in the future, and already did so just a week or so ago. I am unlikely to book on a MAX in the future, even if I think they're safe, more as a boycott because Boeing needs to suffer.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      This seems excessively limiting. The standard 737 has an impeccable safety record and I much prefer it as a passenger to the A320 (the Airbus is noisier IMO). I wouldn't think twice about stepping on board any modern aircraft no matter who the manufacturer, but I have to admit that that attitude doesn't currently extend to the MAX.
      - linuxftw 8y ago
        Personally, I find Airbus to be more comfortable. I'm doing what I can to make the changes I want to see. I don't reward bad businesses with my money if I can help it.
      - NikkiA 8y ago
        > The standard 737 has an impeccable safety record This is simply not true, Boeing has had safety problems with every generation of 737 Original: thrust reverser problems early in life, engine crack causing fires late in life, Classic: changes to the instrument UI caused problems early in life (eg, the vibration gauges being reversed causing the kegworth disaster), rudder and empenage failures late in life, NG: the wings randomly catching fire caused a grounding that required preventative maintenence policies to be required on the leading slats, early metal fatigue appearing a couple of years ago (on <10 yo aircraft) MAX: see current post.
  - kmlx 8y ago
    due to how airlines have fitted their planes, i will unfortunately be flying 787 dreamliner exclusively after multiple horrible airbus flights. especially the god awful BA A380 and the absolutely horrific Emirates 777.
untog 8y ago
That's how opinion polls work. The article in question has the following at the bottom: > SurveyMonkey Audience polls from a national sample balanced by census data of age and gender. Respondents are incentivized to complete surveys through charitable contributions. Generally speaking, digital polling tends to skew toward people with access to the internet. SurveyMonkey Audience doesn't try to weight its sample based on race or income. Total 1,178 respondents collected March 16-17, 2019, a margin of error plus or minus 3.07 percentage points with a 95% confidence level. This isn't some random internet voting widget, there is discipline behind it.
- ilamont 8y ago
  I don't see the discipline you refer to. There's no description of the questions, how people were directed to the forms, or even if the survey was anonymous. We don't know if people took the survey after reading a negative story about the 737 MAX, or whether they were truthful about the demographic information they were asked to provide. For the CBC or Business Insider to conclude the poll "suggested 53 per cent of American adults never want to fly on a 737 Max" is a very irresponsible claim, in my opinion.
  - untog 8y ago
    "There's no description of the questions" > We asked more than 1,100 respondents "If you had a flight on a Boeing 737 Max next week, and the FAA decided to clear the aircraft for flight, given the issues the plane has experienced, what would you do?" "how people were directed to the forms" > We recruit US survey respondents from the 2.5 million people who complete SurveyMonkey surveys daily. They volunteer to join our panel, SurveyMonkey Contribute. https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/audience/our-survey-respondents https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/audience/our-survey-responde... "whether they were truthful about the demographic information they were asked to provide" Should Survey Monkey ask people to submit a copy of their passport with their responses? This is why polls have a margin of error, to take things like this into account.

Kurtz79 8y ago

Isn't it the same for every opinion poll ever, though? Even with a small sample(1100 according to the article at BI), does it really matter if it's 60% or 40% instead of 53%, to show that people would be worried of flying on this plane?

sametmax 8y ago

Most people don't even know the name of the plane, those who know rarely remember to check for it, and the rest that do will have forgotten in a few months.

Arnt 8y ago
Sometimes that's how it goes, and sometimes the mud sticks. In six months or two years or whatever, e.g. Emirates has to confirm or cancel a 737max order. How will Emirates forecast the future public perception? Is the Boeing aircraft so much cheaper than Airbus (Emirates has both) that it's worth a risk to Emirates if the mud sticks?
armitron 8y ago
I've decided never to fly Boeing ever again (not just the 737 max). I'm pretty sure I'll remember just fine and stick to my decision. Everyone I have had discussions with about this issue is also not willing to fly 737 max and for some this extends to Boeing as a whole.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  I will book Airbus whenever possible in the future, and already did so just a week or so ago. I am unlikely to book on a MAX in the future, even if I think they're safe, more as a boycott because Boeing needs to suffer.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    This seems excessively limiting. The standard 737 has an impeccable safety record and I much prefer it as a passenger to the A320 (the Airbus is noisier IMO). I wouldn't think twice about stepping on board any modern aircraft no matter who the manufacturer, but I have to admit that that attitude doesn't currently extend to the MAX.
    - linuxftw 8y ago
      Personally, I find Airbus to be more comfortable. I'm doing what I can to make the changes I want to see. I don't reward bad businesses with my money if I can help it.
    - NikkiA 8y ago
      > The standard 737 has an impeccable safety record This is simply not true, Boeing has had safety problems with every generation of 737 Original: thrust reverser problems early in life, engine crack causing fires late in life, Classic: changes to the instrument UI caused problems early in life (eg, the vibration gauges being reversed causing the kegworth disaster), rudder and empenage failures late in life, NG: the wings randomly catching fire caused a grounding that required preventative maintenence policies to be required on the leading slats, early metal fatigue appearing a couple of years ago (on <10 yo aircraft) MAX: see current post.
- kmlx 8y ago
  due to how airlines have fitted their planes, i will unfortunately be flying 787 dreamliner exclusively after multiple horrible airbus flights. especially the god awful BA A380 and the absolutely horrific Emirates 777.

untog 8y ago

That's how opinion polls work. The article in question has the following at the bottom: > SurveyMonkey Audience polls from a national sample balanced by census data of age and gender. Respondents are incentivized to complete surveys through charitable contributions. Generally speaking, digital polling tends to skew toward people with access to the internet. SurveyMonkey Audience doesn't try to weight its sample based on race or income. Total 1,178 respondents collected March 16-17, 2019, a margin of error plus or minus 3.07 percentage points with a 95% confidence level. This isn't some random internet voting widget, there is discipline behind it.

ilamont 8y ago
I don't see the discipline you refer to. There's no description of the questions, how people were directed to the forms, or even if the survey was anonymous. We don't know if people took the survey after reading a negative story about the 737 MAX, or whether they were truthful about the demographic information they were asked to provide. For the CBC or Business Insider to conclude the poll "suggested 53 per cent of American adults never want to fly on a 737 Max" is a very irresponsible claim, in my opinion.
- untog 8y ago
  "There's no description of the questions" > We asked more than 1,100 respondents "If you had a flight on a Boeing 737 Max next week, and the FAA decided to clear the aircraft for flight, given the issues the plane has experienced, what would you do?" "how people were directed to the forms" > We recruit US survey respondents from the 2.5 million people who complete SurveyMonkey surveys daily. They volunteer to join our panel, SurveyMonkey Contribute. https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/audience/our-survey-respondents https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/audience/our-survey-responde... "whether they were truthful about the demographic information they were asked to provide" Should Survey Monkey ask people to submit a copy of their passport with their responses? This is why polls have a margin of error, to take things like this into account.