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Code base is fair game DMCA-wise. I wonder about the private keys though. I don't think they are copyrightable (although it would cool to have a poem as the pri

Code base is fair game DMCA-wise. I wonder about the private keys though. I don't think they are copyrightable (although it would cool to have a poem as the private key). So, does DMCA cover that too?

neiman 8y ago
Good question. My guess is that the only thing needed to be copyrightable is the one thing which is not.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  They are copyrightable as works, and even if they arent then they are as devices protecting works. The level of creativity needed for copyright is minimal. A key pair is generated by machine, but at the request of a human according to parameters selected by the human. That is likely enough.
  - steve19 8y ago
    A key is just a long number. The AACS encryption key controversy was the subject of DCMA take downs because the key could be used to strip DRM, not because it was a number.
  - saint_abroad 8y ago
    Since recipes are not protected under copyright law [1] it's unlikely mathematical parameter lists have sufficient "literary expression" for protection. OTOH, a passphrase of substantial creativity [2] may be protected by copyright. Crucially (for any takedown), this would cover transformations by key derivation functions. IANAL. [1] https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html [2] https://fairuse.stanford.edu/2003/09/09/copyright_protection_for_short/ https://fairuse.stanford.edu/2003/09/09/copyright_protection...
    - sandworm101 8y ago
      A purely random number is almost certainly always beyond copyright, but as soon as someone puts limitations on that randomness a court may find that enough. And what matters for a takedown is not the number, but the actually document being published. Github is not hosting the random number. It is hosting that number in the context of a larger document and it is that document that is subject to the takedown request. Things might be different if github hosted only the number without the associated labels and code.
gnode 8y ago
DMCA doesn't just cover distribution of copyrighted material, but also distribution of software / secrets intended to break copy protection measures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention#Distribution_of_Circumvention_Tools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention#Distributio...
- brianpgordon 8y ago
  These keys don't have anything to do with copyright protection circumvention though.
gergles 8y ago
> (although it would cool to have a poem as the private key) Apple does this with Mac OS X. The System Management Controller contains a key, and the "Dont Steal Mac OS X" kernel extension (which checks for that key) contains a poem that must be present for Mac OS X to run. http://osxdaily.com/2010/03/19/anti-piracy-message-in-mac-os-x-kernel-extension/ http://osxdaily.com/2010/03/19/anti-piracy-message-in-mac-os...
- deleted 8y ago
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- ddtaylor 8y ago
  That's the saddest poem I've ever read.

neiman 8y ago

Good question. My guess is that the only thing needed to be copyrightable is the one thing which is not.

sandworm101 8y ago
They are copyrightable as works, and even if they arent then they are as devices protecting works. The level of creativity needed for copyright is minimal. A key pair is generated by machine, but at the request of a human according to parameters selected by the human. That is likely enough.
- steve19 8y ago
  A key is just a long number. The AACS encryption key controversy was the subject of DCMA take downs because the key could be used to strip DRM, not because it was a number.
- saint_abroad 8y ago
  Since recipes are not protected under copyright law [1] it's unlikely mathematical parameter lists have sufficient "literary expression" for protection. OTOH, a passphrase of substantial creativity [2] may be protected by copyright. Crucially (for any takedown), this would cover transformations by key derivation functions. IANAL. [1] https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html [2] https://fairuse.stanford.edu/2003/09/09/copyright_protection_for_short/ https://fairuse.stanford.edu/2003/09/09/copyright_protection...
  - sandworm101 8y ago
    A purely random number is almost certainly always beyond copyright, but as soon as someone puts limitations on that randomness a court may find that enough. And what matters for a takedown is not the number, but the actually document being published. Github is not hosting the random number. It is hosting that number in the context of a larger document and it is that document that is subject to the takedown request. Things might be different if github hosted only the number without the associated labels and code.

gnode 8y ago

DMCA doesn't just cover distribution of copyrighted material, but also distribution of software / secrets intended to break copy protection measures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention#Distribution_of_Circumvention_Tools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention#Distributio...

brianpgordon 8y ago
These keys don't have anything to do with copyright protection circumvention though.

gergles 8y ago

> (although it would cool to have a poem as the private key) Apple does this with Mac OS X. The System Management Controller contains a key, and the "Dont Steal Mac OS X" kernel extension (which checks for that key) contains a poem that must be present for Mac OS X to run. http://osxdaily.com/2010/03/19/anti-piracy-message-in-mac-os-x-kernel-extension/ http://osxdaily.com/2010/03/19/anti-piracy-message-in-mac-os...

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ddtaylor 8y ago
That's the saddest poem I've ever read.