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For metric folks, this equates to nearly 600km. That's about as much as I want to drive in the space of a single day. Conceivably however, automated driving co

For metric folks, this equates to nearly 600km. That's about as much as I want to drive in the space of a single day. Conceivably however, automated driving could mean doing longer distances. And at a cost much less than an airfare - just a lot more in time.

magicbuzz 7y ago
Actually they're quoting 660km on https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design#battery https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design#battery
- clouddrover 7y ago
  That's according to the NEDC test cycle which is the most optimistic (and therefore the least useful) range estimate. The three test cycles that are typically used are: NEDC (too optimistic): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Driving_Cycle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Driving_Cycle WLTP (better than NEDC, still a little optimistic): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_harmonized_light_vehicles_test_procedure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_harmonized_light_veh... EPA (the most conservative): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP-75 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP-75 The WLTP figures are okay, but I think EPA test cycle is the most useful because it's the most consecutive and most representative of real world driving.
  - ps 7y ago
    My S 75D has 384km range (not really near the EPA 417km) and it is approximately 21 % optimistic which I would not call "little". Route planners (ABRP, previously Tesla) will not let you drive 300km without charging, because you would arrive with less than 10 % SoC.
    - masklinn 7y ago
      I wonder if NEDC/WLTP/EPA just ignore heating and A/C entirely? That's not a big issue for ICE, but it would be for an EV.
    - lazyjones 7y ago
      That's why I only care about range at highway speeds. It's the only situation where range actually matters to me, since I can usually charge before/after short (non-highway) tours. Here the Teslas still have a big lead and the new versions, if the 10-12% improvement is available for all speeds, will now very likely reach 500 Km (at 130 Km/h) range. Which is awesome and possibly a worthwhile upgrade (+30%) from my S90D.
colordrops 7y ago
I can't wait to sit in my car one morning in Los Angeles, punch in Seattle, then wake up the next morning arrived.
- pault 7y ago
  If self driving trucks are on the horizon, why not self driving efficiency apartments? :)
  - greglindahl 7y ago
    Oddly enough, there is a train on that route.
- ip26 7y ago
  You and everyone else. The congestion will be unimaginable IMO.
m3kw9 7y ago
If you factor in 4-5 hours in overhead in order to take a flight, you can go a lot of places for a lot less and just slightly longer ride. I’m guessing 1/10 of the price for NY to Miami if you take 2-3 people
- dannyw 7y ago
  Depreciation matters.
  - jfoster 7y ago
    Depreciation for any given trip will never be anywhere near the price of a plane ticket or two, though.
    - jonknee 7y ago
      Why not? These are really expensive cars (especially Model S and X). An $80,000 car that has a life of 500,000 miles is $.16 a mile. This hypothetical NY to Miami trip is 1,300 miles one way. If you do no driving in Miami that's 2600 miles or $416 in depreciation if all miles counted the same (they don't, the first miles depreciate things a lot more). You can easily get a plane ticket for that, two if you look around.
      - thehappypm 7y ago
        I flew Providence to Miami for $25 each way last year on Frontier. Even factoring in the cost of parking at the airport and the extra hour of driving time from Boston, I spent less than $100. So, yeah, flying can be super cheap.
- jfoster 7y ago
  A few other bits worth noting: - You don't need to rent a car on the other end. - You can take all the luggage that fits into the car. (even if there's a bottle of water in your luggage!) - You can stop along the way for some decent food and a good leg stretch. - You can listen to the radio without headphones and roll down the windows for some air that won't dry your skin out. - No fixed schedule or chance of missing the trip if running late. I don't think people fully appreciate yet how amazing full, unsupervised electric vehicle autonomy might be.
wingworks 7y ago
And it'd be a more comfortable environment to get work done during the trip too.

magicbuzz 7y ago

Actually they're quoting 660km on https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design#battery https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/models/design#battery

clouddrover 7y ago
That's according to the NEDC test cycle which is the most optimistic (and therefore the least useful) range estimate. The three test cycles that are typically used are: NEDC (too optimistic): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Driving_Cycle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_European_Driving_Cycle WLTP (better than NEDC, still a little optimistic): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_harmonized_light_vehicles_test_procedure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_harmonized_light_veh... EPA (the most conservative): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP-75 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTP-75 The WLTP figures are okay, but I think EPA test cycle is the most useful because it's the most consecutive and most representative of real world driving.
- ps 7y ago
  My S 75D has 384km range (not really near the EPA 417km) and it is approximately 21 % optimistic which I would not call "little". Route planners (ABRP, previously Tesla) will not let you drive 300km without charging, because you would arrive with less than 10 % SoC.
  - masklinn 7y ago
    I wonder if NEDC/WLTP/EPA just ignore heating and A/C entirely? That's not a big issue for ICE, but it would be for an EV.
  - lazyjones 7y ago
    That's why I only care about range at highway speeds. It's the only situation where range actually matters to me, since I can usually charge before/after short (non-highway) tours. Here the Teslas still have a big lead and the new versions, if the 10-12% improvement is available for all speeds, will now very likely reach 500 Km (at 130 Km/h) range. Which is awesome and possibly a worthwhile upgrade (+30%) from my S90D.

colordrops 7y ago

I can't wait to sit in my car one morning in Los Angeles, punch in Seattle, then wake up the next morning arrived.

pault 7y ago
If self driving trucks are on the horizon, why not self driving efficiency apartments? :)
- greglindahl 7y ago
  Oddly enough, there is a train on that route.
ip26 7y ago
You and everyone else. The congestion will be unimaginable IMO.

m3kw9 7y ago

If you factor in 4-5 hours in overhead in order to take a flight, you can go a lot of places for a lot less and just slightly longer ride. I’m guessing 1/10 of the price for NY to Miami if you take 2-3 people

dannyw 7y ago
Depreciation matters.
- jfoster 7y ago
  Depreciation for any given trip will never be anywhere near the price of a plane ticket or two, though.
  - jonknee 7y ago
    Why not? These are really expensive cars (especially Model S and X). An $80,000 car that has a life of 500,000 miles is $.16 a mile. This hypothetical NY to Miami trip is 1,300 miles one way. If you do no driving in Miami that's 2600 miles or $416 in depreciation if all miles counted the same (they don't, the first miles depreciate things a lot more). You can easily get a plane ticket for that, two if you look around.
    - thehappypm 7y ago
      I flew Providence to Miami for $25 each way last year on Frontier. Even factoring in the cost of parking at the airport and the extra hour of driving time from Boston, I spent less than $100. So, yeah, flying can be super cheap.
jfoster 7y ago
A few other bits worth noting: - You don't need to rent a car on the other end. - You can take all the luggage that fits into the car. (even if there's a bottle of water in your luggage!) - You can stop along the way for some decent food and a good leg stretch. - You can listen to the radio without headphones and roll down the windows for some air that won't dry your skin out. - No fixed schedule or chance of missing the trip if running late. I don't think people fully appreciate yet how amazing full, unsupervised electric vehicle autonomy might be.

wingworks 7y ago

And it'd be a more comfortable environment to get work done during the trip too.