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Two{four, five, ten} wrongs do not a right make...

munk-a 8y ago
Absolutely, I'm waiting for a real leader to get into office who will actually strike these recent security theatre laws down. My comment wasn't greatly worded, but in no way is Obama innocent or deserving of defense here - but at the same time Bush definitely deserves the biggest blame, Obama and Trump share blame equally.
- OrgNet 8y ago
  Obama is more to blame because he did the opposite of what he promised during his campaign... I don't recall Trump making any promises to reduce spying on citizens... Actually, I voted for Trump because I thought that he would make the breaking point come sooner rather then later (because the way it's going, that's how it's going to end anyways).
  - gizmo385 8y ago
    > Actually, I voted for Trump because I thought that he would make the breaking point come sooner rather then later (because the way it's going, that's how it's going to end anyways). I'm a bit confused here. You voted for Trump because you thought he would be, effectively, a cherry bomb to blow up the status quo? And you think that's working? I'd argue that what is actually happening is that people are rushing to define the cherry bomb as the status quo rather than actually shift the status quo back to something a bit more reasonable and responsible.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > * I'm waiting for a real leader to get into office who will actually strike these recent security theatre laws down.* Why not work to pass laws at the state level? Or have your state ratify an amendment to the Constitution? Not all roads lead to Washington.
  - munk-a 8y ago
    Sorry, have a state pass a law defying the PATRIOT ACT? That would be ineffective as my voting state has very little NSA infrastructure to effect and no states could effect the more troubling portions of the Act. As an aside my state has joined the NPVIC[1] already, and tends to be more reasonable than the national level - but there are real pieces of change that can only happen nationally. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta... if your state isn't green, I'd encourage you to lobby locally to influence it towards signing on[2]. [2] It is depressing that there is a lot of alignment between this map and the GOP/DEM traditionally safe states - voter suppression is a serious strike against personal liberties.

Absolutely, I'm waiting for a real leader to get into office who will actually strike these recent security theatre laws down. My comment wasn't greatly worded, but in no way is Obama innocent or deserving of defense here - but at the same time Bush definitely deserves the biggest blame, Obama and Trump share blame equally.

OrgNet 8y ago
Obama is more to blame because he did the opposite of what he promised during his campaign... I don't recall Trump making any promises to reduce spying on citizens... Actually, I voted for Trump because I thought that he would make the breaking point come sooner rather then later (because the way it's going, that's how it's going to end anyways).
- gizmo385 8y ago
  > Actually, I voted for Trump because I thought that he would make the breaking point come sooner rather then later (because the way it's going, that's how it's going to end anyways). I'm a bit confused here. You voted for Trump because you thought he would be, effectively, a cherry bomb to blow up the status quo? And you think that's working? I'd argue that what is actually happening is that people are rushing to define the cherry bomb as the status quo rather than actually shift the status quo back to something a bit more reasonable and responsible.
JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> * I'm waiting for a real leader to get into office who will actually strike these recent security theatre laws down.* Why not work to pass laws at the state level? Or have your state ratify an amendment to the Constitution? Not all roads lead to Washington.
- munk-a 8y ago
  Sorry, have a state pass a law defying the PATRIOT ACT? That would be ineffective as my voting state has very little NSA infrastructure to effect and no states could effect the more troubling portions of the Act. As an aside my state has joined the NPVIC[1] already, and tends to be more reasonable than the national level - but there are real pieces of change that can only happen nationally. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta... if your state isn't green, I'd encourage you to lobby locally to influence it towards signing on[2]. [2] It is depressing that there is a lot of alignment between this map and the GOP/DEM traditionally safe states - voter suppression is a serious strike against personal liberties.