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Not really. Rolling around a road, in broad daylight, with no adverse conditions and no "interesting" events isn't progress. yes, merging onto a freeway is mi

Not really. Rolling around a road, in broad daylight, with no adverse conditions and no "interesting" events isn't progress. yes, merging onto a freeway is mildly impressive, but its not anywhere near state of the art. What I'd like to see is what happens when someone swerves out in front of the car? does it stop dead? or panic and hand back control to the driver, just in time to crash? What about rain, or snow? How does it handle diversions? what about new roads? None of this is really about hardware, sure more power helps, as does sensors with lower noise floors and greater pre-processing. The difficult part is, and has always been, software. What Tesla is doing is knowingly allow people to to unsafe software to gather scenarios that can be used as learning events. Not only that, they are getting people to pay a premium. I imagine that tesla will then rent the next generation of trained models back to the drivers, even though they paid for, and provided the training set.

toomuchtodo 8y ago
> What Tesla is doing is knowingly allow people to to unsafe software to gather scenarios that can be used as learning events. Not only that, they are getting people to pay a premium. I imagine that tesla will then rent the next generation of trained models back to the drivers, even though they paid for, and provided the training set. As a Model S owner with over 10k miles on Autopilot, I take issue with you calling the software unsafe (I have never once had a disengagement that caused a safety issue), and I am happy to pay a premium to contribute to what I consider progress. I would happily pay more. Waymo vehicles aren't available to anyone buy a few beta testers. Tesla Autopilot neural net improvements are available to everyone in the fleet.
- KaiserPro 8y ago
  I am glad you are happy. As someone who paid >$100k for a new car, of course you are going to get _free_ upgrades. But, it is immoral to ship something thats barely level 2 and market it as an autopilot. Yes, they have made great strides, but tesla basically gambled that no one would crash. This is the issue I have with our industry. That kind of slapdash "lets work 100 hour weeks and ship anyway, yes the target is impossible but a broken MVP is better than no MVP" is fine for a webapp. But for life critical software, no, no its not.
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    If you as a consumer think “Autopilot” means full autonomy, you are undereducated and/or misinformed. That’s not Tesla’s fault, and they don’t advertise Autopilot as such, either on their website or in the numerous warnings in the vehicle interface. I don’t agree it’s immoral to ship what they’re shipping calling it Autopilot. I do agree much more work needs to go into how life critical systems are developed and deployed, but impressed at Tesla’s development velocity without sacrificing safety (as evidenced by so few deaths in Tesla vehicles overall).

toomuchtodo 8y ago

> What Tesla is doing is knowingly allow people to to unsafe software to gather scenarios that can be used as learning events. Not only that, they are getting people to pay a premium. I imagine that tesla will then rent the next generation of trained models back to the drivers, even though they paid for, and provided the training set. As a Model S owner with over 10k miles on Autopilot, I take issue with you calling the software unsafe (I have never once had a disengagement that caused a safety issue), and I am happy to pay a premium to contribute to what I consider progress. I would happily pay more. Waymo vehicles aren't available to anyone buy a few beta testers. Tesla Autopilot neural net improvements are available to everyone in the fleet.

KaiserPro 8y ago
I am glad you are happy. As someone who paid >$100k for a new car, of course you are going to get _free_ upgrades. But, it is immoral to ship something thats barely level 2 and market it as an autopilot. Yes, they have made great strides, but tesla basically gambled that no one would crash. This is the issue I have with our industry. That kind of slapdash "lets work 100 hour weeks and ship anyway, yes the target is impossible but a broken MVP is better than no MVP" is fine for a webapp. But for life critical software, no, no its not.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  If you as a consumer think “Autopilot” means full autonomy, you are undereducated and/or misinformed. That’s not Tesla’s fault, and they don’t advertise Autopilot as such, either on their website or in the numerous warnings in the vehicle interface. I don’t agree it’s immoral to ship what they’re shipping calling it Autopilot. I do agree much more work needs to go into how life critical systems are developed and deployed, but impressed at Tesla’s development velocity without sacrificing safety (as evidenced by so few deaths in Tesla vehicles overall).