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I wonder how is this different than the US's system where even as a tourist I have to give them my biometrics so they can store it in their big database.

rglullis 8y ago
If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Even though is a questionable practice, you are doing something (provide biometrics) in order to get something else (access to a foreign country) The point here is that you are a CITIZEN of the EU, you need to subject to conditions that give you no benefit when traveling abroad.
- pjc50 8y ago
  > "The systems covered by the new rules would include the Schengen Information System, Eurodac, the Visa Information System (VIS) and three new systems: the European Criminal Records System for Third Country Nationals (ECRIS-TCN), the Entry/Exit System (EES) and the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS)," It looks like those are all travel-related systems rather than national identity systems? (e.g. the UK operates SIS: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen-information-system_en https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border... while not being either a member of Schengen or having a national identity system?)
- NotPaidToPost 8y ago
  You already need to submit biometric data in order to get a passport. That's how they get these data in the first place. In EU countries that have ID cards you also already need to submit biometric data when applying for one. This only merges existing databases, which is a reasonable thing to do when you have a single border (Schengen area) and obviously want to quickly check anyone.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  If you're a US Citizen you also need to submit in order to get re-admitted into your country of birth, or just to gain a US Passport (after 2007). So I'm not defending the EU, but the US is already doing exactly this.
  - xfitm3 8y ago
    I have never had to provide biometrics at the US border.
    - Someone1234 8y ago
      You haven't flown internationally since 2007?
      - xfitm3 8y ago
        Yes, I have. What biometrics do you think I’ve given up?
      - voxic11 8y ago
        Not the same person, but I traveled to China in 2009 and the only biometric I had to give was a photo for my passport.
    - jbigelow76 8y ago
      Not the same as providing biometrics at the US border but in the same neighborhood of discussion regarding trends: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/06/02/jetblue-delta-test-biometric-boarding-passes/102417516/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/... Don't show your boaording pass -> gate opens anyway -> WTF?! -> tweets ensue: https://twitter.com/mackenzief/status/1118509708673998848 https://twitter.com/mackenzief/status/1118509708673998848
- throw0101a 8y ago
  > If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Except, AFAICT, Canadians. (Unless you want to sign up for Nexus.)
dyhtf 8y ago
It's different because the EU is not a country. It's composed of countries which should have sovereignty over the data of their citizens. But now they'll have to give our biometrics away. Doesn't matter what individual countries say; this is the EU and there is no discussion to be had.
- thefounder 8y ago
  EU is composed of member states just like United States is composed of "united" states. The citizens of EU have equal rights. There is hope the EU member states will get united one day as well but we are not there yet. Some want to have the cake and eat it too(i.e intelligence sharing but no data sharing, sovereignty and equal rights as well). Currently the trend is to blame EU for anything like the EU would be an institution lead by states outside of the EU.

rglullis 8y ago

If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Even though is a questionable practice, you are doing something (provide biometrics) in order to get something else (access to a foreign country) The point here is that you are a CITIZEN of the EU, you need to subject to conditions that give you no benefit when traveling abroad.

pjc50 8y ago
> "The systems covered by the new rules would include the Schengen Information System, Eurodac, the Visa Information System (VIS) and three new systems: the European Criminal Records System for Third Country Nationals (ECRIS-TCN), the Entry/Exit System (EES) and the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS)," It looks like those are all travel-related systems rather than national identity systems? (e.g. the UK operates SIS: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen-information-system_en https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border... while not being either a member of Schengen or having a national identity system?)
NotPaidToPost 8y ago
You already need to submit biometric data in order to get a passport. That's how they get these data in the first place. In EU countries that have ID cards you also already need to submit biometric data when applying for one. This only merges existing databases, which is a reasonable thing to do when you have a single border (Schengen area) and obviously want to quickly check anyone.
Someone1234 8y ago
If you're a US Citizen you also need to submit in order to get re-admitted into your country of birth, or just to gain a US Passport (after 2007). So I'm not defending the EU, but the US is already doing exactly this.
- xfitm3 8y ago
  I have never had to provide biometrics at the US border.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    You haven't flown internationally since 2007?
    - xfitm3 8y ago
      Yes, I have. What biometrics do you think I’ve given up?
    - voxic11 8y ago
      Not the same person, but I traveled to China in 2009 and the only biometric I had to give was a photo for my passport.
  - jbigelow76 8y ago
    Not the same as providing biometrics at the US border but in the same neighborhood of discussion regarding trends: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/06/02/jetblue-delta-test-biometric-boarding-passes/102417516/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/... Don't show your boaording pass -> gate opens anyway -> WTF?! -> tweets ensue: https://twitter.com/mackenzief/status/1118509708673998848 https://twitter.com/mackenzief/status/1118509708673998848
throw0101a 8y ago
> If you are foreign to the US and want to get in you need to accept their conditions that they deem needed for your entry. Except, AFAICT, Canadians. (Unless you want to sign up for Nexus.)

dyhtf 8y ago

It's different because the EU is not a country. It's composed of countries which should have sovereignty over the data of their citizens. But now they'll have to give our biometrics away. Doesn't matter what individual countries say; this is the EU and there is no discussion to be had.

thefounder 8y ago
EU is composed of member states just like United States is composed of "united" states. The citizens of EU have equal rights. There is hope the EU member states will get united one day as well but we are not there yet. Some want to have the cake and eat it too(i.e intelligence sharing but no data sharing, sovereignty and equal rights as well). Currently the trend is to blame EU for anything like the EU would be an institution lead by states outside of the EU.