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In what sense are they "hell" and how come you think free movement is a privilege - that sounds a bit elitist. Free movement is a right in the EU BTW

Jonnerz 8y ago
Free movement is a right yes, but flying is not...
- C1sc0cat 8y ago
  Isn't limiting flying to the rich anti democratic.
lm28469 8y ago
> In what sense are they "hell" Deezer/Jump/OFO/Mobike/DonkeyRepublic bikes everywhere, now they even started using electric scooters, parking them in front of monuments, in the middle of the already small sidewalks, on the road (??!) You can't go to museum/parks/monuments/local biergarten. Public transports can't keep up. Even worst, roads can't keep up (uber + car2go + taxis everywhere) Half of the flats in touristic areas are aribnbs, artificially increasing local prices + kicking local people out. Artificially increases restaurants / bars prices. I don't even get how tourists are having fun, it's literally like queuing in Disneyland to see/do the most basic things and take the same pictures as everyone else. I saw hundreds of people queueing for 2+ hours for a famous burger / kebab place, if that's what you consider "fun" and "freedom" ... > how come you think free movement is a privilege Never said that. Now that people can buy a Paris<>Berlin tickets for the price of a restaurant they go enjoy their mindless 3 days of paradise, wreak havoc on the locals, and move to their next destination. It's just like freedom of speech, when abused it starts to get nasty. > When culture becomes nothing more than a commodity, it must also become the star commodity of the spectacular society. - Guy Debord > Ideology, information and > culture < tend more and more to lose their content and become pure quantity. - Raoul Vaneigem
- C1sc0cat 8y ago
  This sounds like a rant presumably you would like to have active and passive citizens ?
  - lm28469 8y ago
    It sure is a rant, but it's my daily life. > you would like to have active and passive citizens ? No, just informed and non destructive tourism. The number of tourists coming to berlin, for example, doubled in 10 years, the infrastructure almost didn't change in the same time. 3.5 million inhabitants, 14[0] millions annual tourists. Every single month of the year: 40%+ of the population is made of tourists. [0] edit: 13.5 million guests, 32.9 million overnight stays. https://about.visitberlin.de/en/materialien/toolkit/tourism-stats https://about.visitberlin.de/en/materialien/toolkit/tourism-... https://ourworldindata.org/tourism https://ourworldindata.org/tourism
    - neetdeth 8y ago
      Assuming every one of those overnight stays means two days spent in Berlin, and if they are spread out over the year, that's 175 thousand tourists at any given time, about 5% of the population. Of course they'll congregate in certain locations and certain times of year, but you're overstating the case. Instead of shaking your fist at airplanes flying overhead, maybe try increasing the hotel tax and cracking down on AirBnBs. Of course, you'll probably encounter opposition to this because some locals are making a great deal of profit.

Jonnerz 8y ago

Free movement is a right yes, but flying is not...

C1sc0cat 8y ago
Isn't limiting flying to the rich anti democratic.

lm28469 8y ago

> In what sense are they "hell" Deezer/Jump/OFO/Mobike/DonkeyRepublic bikes everywhere, now they even started using electric scooters, parking them in front of monuments, in the middle of the already small sidewalks, on the road (??!) You can't go to museum/parks/monuments/local biergarten. Public transports can't keep up. Even worst, roads can't keep up (uber + car2go + taxis everywhere) Half of the flats in touristic areas are aribnbs, artificially increasing local prices + kicking local people out. Artificially increases restaurants / bars prices. I don't even get how tourists are having fun, it's literally like queuing in Disneyland to see/do the most basic things and take the same pictures as everyone else. I saw hundreds of people queueing for 2+ hours for a famous burger / kebab place, if that's what you consider "fun" and "freedom" ... > how come you think free movement is a privilege Never said that. Now that people can buy a Paris<>Berlin tickets for the price of a restaurant they go enjoy their mindless 3 days of paradise, wreak havoc on the locals, and move to their next destination. It's just like freedom of speech, when abused it starts to get nasty. > When culture becomes nothing more than a commodity, it must also become the star commodity of the spectacular society. - Guy Debord > Ideology, information and > culture < tend more and more to lose their content and become pure quantity. - Raoul Vaneigem

C1sc0cat 8y ago
This sounds like a rant presumably you would like to have active and passive citizens ?
- lm28469 8y ago
  It sure is a rant, but it's my daily life. > you would like to have active and passive citizens ? No, just informed and non destructive tourism. The number of tourists coming to berlin, for example, doubled in 10 years, the infrastructure almost didn't change in the same time. 3.5 million inhabitants, 14[0] millions annual tourists. Every single month of the year: 40%+ of the population is made of tourists. [0] edit: 13.5 million guests, 32.9 million overnight stays. https://about.visitberlin.de/en/materialien/toolkit/tourism-stats https://about.visitberlin.de/en/materialien/toolkit/tourism-... https://ourworldindata.org/tourism https://ourworldindata.org/tourism
  - neetdeth 8y ago
    Assuming every one of those overnight stays means two days spent in Berlin, and if they are spread out over the year, that's 175 thousand tourists at any given time, about 5% of the population. Of course they'll congregate in certain locations and certain times of year, but you're overstating the case. Instead of shaking your fist at airplanes flying overhead, maybe try increasing the hotel tax and cracking down on AirBnBs. Of course, you'll probably encounter opposition to this because some locals are making a great deal of profit.