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A related story that hasn't received much traction on HN: >US wants to use facial recognition on air travelers leaving the country https://qz.com/1598148/us-w

by Jerry2 8y ago

A related story that hasn't received much traction on HN: >US wants to use facial recognition on air travelers leaving the country https://qz.com/1598148/us-wants-to-use-facial-recognition-on-air-travelers-leaving-the-country/ https://qz.com/1598148/us-wants-to-use-facial-recognition-on...

jjeaff 8y ago
They already use it at customs when you are coming back to the US.
Taniwha 8y ago
wow a 97% success rate ... that means that 3% will be arrested for overstaying their visa on return .... The US is kind of unique in that it doesn't have immigration officers who stamp your passport when you leave ... so you have no proof that you have left ... it also means that there are no transit lounges in the US, you can't land in SFO from say Australia and get on a plane to London without passing through US customs and spending time and money getting a US visa (even an ESTA takes time and money) At the moment the US depends on airlines to get it right, it used to be that when you arrived they stapled a green bit of cardboard into your passport, sometimes the airlines would forget to collect it as you left, or lose it and people would end up getting arrested when they come back (a night or two in the cells and thrown on a plane back home). For a while there were kiosks in the departure lounge. Now days it's done electronically, and they still get it wrong occasionally, the error rate however is probably way below 3% at the moment. The horror stories from people caught this way mean that people from Oz/NZ often prefer to travel to Europe the other way around rather than risking US travel
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- madeofpalk 8y ago
  > mean that people from Oz/NZ often prefer to travel to Europe the other way around rather than risking US travel I mean, going via the US is 6 hours longer compared to going via Asia. Sydney > Dubai > London is ~23 hours. Sydney > LA > New York is ~23 hours, and then another 6 to get to London.
  - Taniwha 8y ago
    If you're going to London you would normally fly direct over the pole from LAX/SFO, not stop in NY as well
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- bayesian_horse 8y ago
  Such technologies always have an error rate, and these error rates are taken into account, by and large. There is a huge potential to harass people using such technologies, particular such people whose complaints are most easily ignored. But that is more of a problem of holding the government accountable for such behavior in general, rather than trying to stop them doing their arguably necessary job in this particular instance. I'm generally against regulation or restriction of migration, by the way. But I'm also in favor of the authorities having a general idea who's coming and leaving.

by Jerry2 8y ago

jjeaff 8y ago

They already use it at customs when you are coming back to the US.

Taniwha 8y ago

wow a 97% success rate ... that means that 3% will be arrested for overstaying their visa on return .... The US is kind of unique in that it doesn't have immigration officers who stamp your passport when you leave ... so you have no proof that you have left ... it also means that there are no transit lounges in the US, you can't land in SFO from say Australia and get on a plane to London without passing through US customs and spending time and money getting a US visa (even an ESTA takes time and money) At the moment the US depends on airlines to get it right, it used to be that when you arrived they stapled a green bit of cardboard into your passport, sometimes the airlines would forget to collect it as you left, or lose it and people would end up getting arrested when they come back (a night or two in the cells and thrown on a plane back home). For a while there were kiosks in the departure lounge. Now days it's done electronically, and they still get it wrong occasionally, the error rate however is probably way below 3% at the moment. The horror stories from people caught this way mean that people from Oz/NZ often prefer to travel to Europe the other way around rather than risking US travel

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madeofpalk 8y ago
> mean that people from Oz/NZ often prefer to travel to Europe the other way around rather than risking US travel I mean, going via the US is 6 hours longer compared to going via Asia. Sydney > Dubai > London is ~23 hours. Sydney > LA > New York is ~23 hours, and then another 6 to get to London.
- Taniwha 8y ago
  If you're going to London you would normally fly direct over the pole from LAX/SFO, not stop in NY as well
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bayesian_horse 8y ago
Such technologies always have an error rate, and these error rates are taken into account, by and large. There is a huge potential to harass people using such technologies, particular such people whose complaints are most easily ignored. But that is more of a problem of holding the government accountable for such behavior in general, rather than trying to stop them doing their arguably necessary job in this particular instance. I'm generally against regulation or restriction of migration, by the way. But I'm also in favor of the authorities having a general idea who's coming and leaving.