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I turn it off and every so often Apple decides that no, I want their dumb news notifications again. Then it goes off again. I have never received an Apple News

I turn it off and every so often Apple decides that no, I want their dumb news notifications again. Then it goes off again. I have never received an Apple News notification that was not dumb, stupid, and useless. It's sort of like airport CNN except in your pocket that randomly turns itself on after you have opted out of it.

threeseed 7y ago
I would be filling a bug report over at http://bugreporter.apple.com http://bugreporter.apple.com Definitely not normal for the OS to be ignoring notification settings.
- garmaine 7y ago
  It's not ignoring so much ass the internal array of notification options changes, or the app is upgraded across a major OS release, or something else which causes a new or replacement notification setting to take on its default value. The problem, if anything, is that whatever test suite they run doesn't include someone opting out of everything, applying the update, and then checking if they are still opted out of everything (including new stuff that didn't exist before).
  - JimDabell 7y ago
    This definitely doesn't sound correct. Aside from the fact that the default for notifications is zero permissions, Apple don't keep adding new notification types. I've never seen the type of "reset" you're talking about in 10+ years of developing iOS apps. If you're certain you've disabled notifications (Settings > News > Notifications > Allow Notifications), then file a bug.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      > the default for notifications is zero permissions Not for Apple's apps. Also, note that as of iOS 12 apps can post "provisional" notifications without asking for permission: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unauthorizationoptions/2993019-provisional https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/...
    - garmaine 7y ago
      The default is most certainly not zero notifications for Apple News. Get a new iPhone, click through the setup procedure, and you'll get lock-screen notifications about news.
  - simonh 7y ago
    The only way I can think of this might appear to happen, other than a bug, is restoring a backup to a point where notifications were still enabled.
    - garmaine 7y ago
      No, this consistently happens when Apple does an iOS release that makes major updates to the News app. Update installed, start getting notifications.
- tinus_hn 7y ago
  Apple is not above sleazy tricks like this. They have also had ‘bugs’ where they silently turned off the ‘Limit ad tracking’ setting automatically.
  - whywhywhywhy 7y ago
    Also if you're an iTunes Match user and don't subscribe to Apple music you now have to skip past an Apple Music advert every so often when you open the Music app. Not sure if it's once a month or once an update but I've had it twice so far. Not to mention having to delay an update notification daily on my Mac. This is the sort of behavior that any other big 4 would be dragged over the coals for.
    - intertextuality 7y ago
      > Not to mention having to delay an update notification daily on my Mac. I don't understand this. Windows is "dragged over the coals" for forcing updates at the worst times. Why? Because no one ever updates willingly, the update just gets kicked down the line until finally the system forces it. You have two options for osx: * Complain about update notifications and never change your attitude or flow. Continue to gripe on forums instead. * Understand that updates are generally good, and run the updates in the morning before you start working, or at a more convenient time. I only push back updates about 2-3 days if I forget, but it's not that hard to just update and get it over with.
      - viraptor 7y ago
        Apple could improve this situation a lot if the update didn't take a random 20-40min (and that's on latest and greatest hardware). I'll be the one to tell people to update ASAP normally, but this? There's no way I'm updating if I'm on call, for example. Or may possibly need access in the next hour. In practice they means days of delay.

threeseed 7y ago

I would be filling a bug report over at http://bugreporter.apple.com http://bugreporter.apple.com Definitely not normal for the OS to be ignoring notification settings.

garmaine 7y ago
It's not ignoring so much ass the internal array of notification options changes, or the app is upgraded across a major OS release, or something else which causes a new or replacement notification setting to take on its default value. The problem, if anything, is that whatever test suite they run doesn't include someone opting out of everything, applying the update, and then checking if they are still opted out of everything (including new stuff that didn't exist before).
- JimDabell 7y ago
  This definitely doesn't sound correct. Aside from the fact that the default for notifications is zero permissions, Apple don't keep adding new notification types. I've never seen the type of "reset" you're talking about in 10+ years of developing iOS apps. If you're certain you've disabled notifications (Settings > News > Notifications > Allow Notifications), then file a bug.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    > the default for notifications is zero permissions Not for Apple's apps. Also, note that as of iOS 12 apps can post "provisional" notifications without asking for permission: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/unauthorizationoptions/2993019-provisional https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/...
  - garmaine 7y ago
    The default is most certainly not zero notifications for Apple News. Get a new iPhone, click through the setup procedure, and you'll get lock-screen notifications about news.
- simonh 7y ago
  The only way I can think of this might appear to happen, other than a bug, is restoring a backup to a point where notifications were still enabled.
  - garmaine 7y ago
    No, this consistently happens when Apple does an iOS release that makes major updates to the News app. Update installed, start getting notifications.
tinus_hn 7y ago
Apple is not above sleazy tricks like this. They have also had ‘bugs’ where they silently turned off the ‘Limit ad tracking’ setting automatically.
- whywhywhywhy 7y ago
  Also if you're an iTunes Match user and don't subscribe to Apple music you now have to skip past an Apple Music advert every so often when you open the Music app. Not sure if it's once a month or once an update but I've had it twice so far. Not to mention having to delay an update notification daily on my Mac. This is the sort of behavior that any other big 4 would be dragged over the coals for.
  - intertextuality 7y ago
    > Not to mention having to delay an update notification daily on my Mac. I don't understand this. Windows is "dragged over the coals" for forcing updates at the worst times. Why? Because no one ever updates willingly, the update just gets kicked down the line until finally the system forces it. You have two options for osx: * Complain about update notifications and never change your attitude or flow. Continue to gripe on forums instead. * Understand that updates are generally good, and run the updates in the morning before you start working, or at a more convenient time. I only push back updates about 2-3 days if I forget, but it's not that hard to just update and get it over with.
    - viraptor 7y ago
      Apple could improve this situation a lot if the update didn't take a random 20-40min (and that's on latest and greatest hardware). I'll be the one to tell people to update ASAP normally, but this? There's no way I'm updating if I'm on call, for example. Or may possibly need access in the next hour. In practice they means days of delay.