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If you think the reason there are fewer women on construction sites is that they don't want to work there, I'd encourage you to work on a construction site, lik

If you think the reason there are fewer women on construction sites is that they don't want to work there, I'd encourage you to work on a construction site, like I have, and talk to the very few women that work there about their experiences. Over the last few years there's been a marked increase in women working on construction sites.

apta 7y ago
Even if that's true, at the end of the day it's going to come down to biological differences. Men are overall, stronger than women, so when you find the best person for the job, you'll most likely end up hiring a bulky man. Same with firefighting where they need to carry heavy equipment and be able to perform their duties safely. So short of hiring women body builders, you're most likely going to end up with a man. Why don't these "equal outcome" groups make a fuss about that? What about trying to get more men into nursing or day care?
- tomlock 7y ago
  Not only is it true, the fact that you're parroting the claim that construction isn't trying to address the gender imbalance of its field demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about. You haven't seen the "fuss" because you aren't educated, and haven't made an effort to educate yourself, on the topic.
  - apta 7y ago
    It's easy to throw insults and claims of ignorance. The other poster understood my point and made an appropriate response. You're avoiding answering the issue of bias against men.
    - tomlock 7y ago
      Ok here's my answer. > Why don't these "equal outcome" groups make a fuss about that? What about trying to get more men into nursing or day care? They do. They are.
- taborj 7y ago
  Generally speaking these types of efforts are never about getting more men into various fields, because there's the perception - right or wrong - that men are already unfairly handed opportunities and their associated higher wages. In other words, in the popular view, it's not discrimination if it happens against men. It's justice. Note that I'm not advocating for or against this view.

apta 7y ago

Even if that's true, at the end of the day it's going to come down to biological differences. Men are overall, stronger than women, so when you find the best person for the job, you'll most likely end up hiring a bulky man. Same with firefighting where they need to carry heavy equipment and be able to perform their duties safely. So short of hiring women body builders, you're most likely going to end up with a man. Why don't these "equal outcome" groups make a fuss about that? What about trying to get more men into nursing or day care?

tomlock 7y ago
Not only is it true, the fact that you're parroting the claim that construction isn't trying to address the gender imbalance of its field demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about. You haven't seen the "fuss" because you aren't educated, and haven't made an effort to educate yourself, on the topic.
- apta 7y ago
  It's easy to throw insults and claims of ignorance. The other poster understood my point and made an appropriate response. You're avoiding answering the issue of bias against men.
  - tomlock 7y ago
    Ok here's my answer. > Why don't these "equal outcome" groups make a fuss about that? What about trying to get more men into nursing or day care? They do. They are.
taborj 7y ago
Generally speaking these types of efforts are never about getting more men into various fields, because there's the perception - right or wrong - that men are already unfairly handed opportunities and their associated higher wages. In other words, in the popular view, it's not discrimination if it happens against men. It's justice. Note that I'm not advocating for or against this view.