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> Your tone is unnecessarily snarky I disagree. He or she is one of the few intelligent commenters on this thread that is not mindlessly grasping on to this al

by sridca 7y ago

> Your tone is unnecessarily snarky I disagree. He or she is one of the few intelligent commenters on this thread that is not mindlessly grasping on to this alarming vegan/vegetarian trend. And lo and behold, they are getting downvoted to oblivion.

cageface 7y ago
HN is a fairly intelligent and educated crowd by internet standards. Perhaps it should give you pause that so many such people not only consider veganism not alarming but actually positive. And dismissing it as mindless doesn't really signal debating in good faith on your part or his.
- sridca 7y ago
  > HN is a fairly intelligent and educated crowd by internet standards. Yet intelligent and educated people do hold beliefs not based on facts, and are unwilling to be questioned. > Perhaps it should give you pause that so many such people not only consider veganism not alarming but actually positive. It gives me no pause whatsoever as I'm not someone that so easily follows the crowd. I simply take it to be the case that veganism is the flat-earth-theory of 2019. > And dismissing it as mindless doesn't really signal debating in good faith on your part or his. Good faith on my, and others, part and already have come by and been downvoted into oblivion. Have you been watching this thread?
  - cageface 7y ago
    I simply take it to be the case that veganism is the flat-earth-theory of 2019. And you wonder why nobody takes your comments seriously. The American Dietetics Association, the largest association of professional dieticians in the world, says vegan diets are healthy and appropriate for all ages: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 Science is on our side. Who's the flat earther here?
    - toight 7y ago
      Science doesn't have the multivariate statistical capability to settle the argument yet. Like I said The literature's converging and if dietitians had anything of value to add why are chronic health conditions escalating. I'm betting on the macro ratios of the pre colonial Polynesian diet, Works pretty well for me. And I can do 40 pressups without any training other than the odd walk and grass fed roast lamb is absolutely delicious and it's biochemistry evolved in synch with mine.But by all means eat the pea goo, it reduces the demand for lamb. Everyone gets freedom of choice to eat what they choose in developed countries, It's a valuable freedom.
      - cageface 7y ago
        I agree that we still have a lot to learn about nutrition. What’s not controversial is that you can be perfectly healthy on a strictly plant based diet. Dismissing vegans as flat earthers or vegan diets as pea goo just makes you sound defensive. Also, the diet you choose has consequences for the environment and the animals you eat so it’s not simply a matter of individual choices. Red meat in particular has a huge carbon footprint.
        meekstro 7y ago
        It is controversial though. Vegans have higher rates of depression and anxiety than the general cheeseburger eating population which has terrible rates of depression and anxiety. They also have higher rates of auto-immune disorders. The major benefit of their diet comes from toxicity reduction from eating optimised daily calories. A plant sits in one spot thinking how to poison anything that eats too much of it. An animal moves about consuming as little poison as possible. Once you're assured of enough calories (which used to limit population growth) the primary solution is to eat some calories from animals that evolved systems for processing plant toxins to minimise your toxic load. I used pea goo in the comment because I went to the beyond meat website and looked at the ingredients in the impossible burger. The impossible burger consists of about 15 chemical compounds, combined by people highly financially motivated to optimise flavour, texture and colour and the primary component is pea protein. If you can think of a more concise name I'm all ears but it's definitely not a iphone or macbook air. Vegan's choose pea goo over lamb. That's their choice and some vegan's will have the genetic biochemistry to live healthily on a plant based diet. The general population doesn't share that biochemistry. Veganism is the most environmentally sound option if one's health optimises from the diet. Unfortunately this is not the case for the majority of the population. The average vegan should be admired for their sacrifice, not their logic.
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by sridca 7y ago

cageface 7y ago

HN is a fairly intelligent and educated crowd by internet standards. Perhaps it should give you pause that so many such people not only consider veganism not alarming but actually positive. And dismissing it as mindless doesn't really signal debating in good faith on your part or his.

sridca 7y ago
> HN is a fairly intelligent and educated crowd by internet standards. Yet intelligent and educated people do hold beliefs not based on facts, and are unwilling to be questioned. > Perhaps it should give you pause that so many such people not only consider veganism not alarming but actually positive. It gives me no pause whatsoever as I'm not someone that so easily follows the crowd. I simply take it to be the case that veganism is the flat-earth-theory of 2019. > And dismissing it as mindless doesn't really signal debating in good faith on your part or his. Good faith on my, and others, part and already have come by and been downvoted into oblivion. Have you been watching this thread?
- cageface 7y ago
  I simply take it to be the case that veganism is the flat-earth-theory of 2019. And you wonder why nobody takes your comments seriously. The American Dietetics Association, the largest association of professional dieticians in the world, says vegan diets are healthy and appropriate for all ages: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 Science is on our side. Who's the flat earther here?
  - toight 7y ago
    Science doesn't have the multivariate statistical capability to settle the argument yet. Like I said The literature's converging and if dietitians had anything of value to add why are chronic health conditions escalating. I'm betting on the macro ratios of the pre colonial Polynesian diet, Works pretty well for me. And I can do 40 pressups without any training other than the odd walk and grass fed roast lamb is absolutely delicious and it's biochemistry evolved in synch with mine.But by all means eat the pea goo, it reduces the demand for lamb. Everyone gets freedom of choice to eat what they choose in developed countries, It's a valuable freedom.
    - cageface 7y ago
      I agree that we still have a lot to learn about nutrition. What’s not controversial is that you can be perfectly healthy on a strictly plant based diet. Dismissing vegans as flat earthers or vegan diets as pea goo just makes you sound defensive. Also, the diet you choose has consequences for the environment and the animals you eat so it’s not simply a matter of individual choices. Red meat in particular has a huge carbon footprint.
      - meekstro 7y ago
        It is controversial though. Vegans have higher rates of depression and anxiety than the general cheeseburger eating population which has terrible rates of depression and anxiety. They also have higher rates of auto-immune disorders. The major benefit of their diet comes from toxicity reduction from eating optimised daily calories. A plant sits in one spot thinking how to poison anything that eats too much of it. An animal moves about consuming as little poison as possible. Once you're assured of enough calories (which used to limit population growth) the primary solution is to eat some calories from animals that evolved systems for processing plant toxins to minimise your toxic load. I used pea goo in the comment because I went to the beyond meat website and looked at the ingredients in the impossible burger. The impossible burger consists of about 15 chemical compounds, combined by people highly financially motivated to optimise flavour, texture and colour and the primary component is pea protein. If you can think of a more concise name I'm all ears but it's definitely not a iphone or macbook air. Vegan's choose pea goo over lamb. That's their choice and some vegan's will have the genetic biochemistry to live healthily on a plant based diet. The general population doesn't share that biochemistry. Veganism is the most environmentally sound option if one's health optimises from the diet. Unfortunately this is not the case for the majority of the population. The average vegan should be admired for their sacrifice, not their logic.

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