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There's no way for me to phrase this while coming across as civil, but I'm genuinely curious: does anybody actually believe Musk? If so, why?

deepVoid 7y ago
There are many Musk fanboys out there. Just take a look at the Tesla cars on the road.
- omarchowdhury 7y ago
  Is buying a Tesla synonymous with being a Musk fanboy?
  - willio58 7y ago
    No, it isn’t.
    - HNLurker2 7y ago
      He is famous beyond need for introduction. I am confident to say that even the 5% percentile of extreme fanboyism is huge because his sheer amount of following.
- dang 7y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?
  - deepVoid 7y ago
    Could you please stop harassing people about their exercising freedom of speech? Does every comment need to be substantiated? Why don't you tell your government to stop smearing Huawei?
    - dang 7y ago
      Substantive != substantiated. It just means a comment should contain a bit more thought and information. Freedom of speech on HN is subject to the site guidelines, which are at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. That's for much the same reason that freedom of fire is limited in national parks. If you want to comment here, you need to follow the rules the same as other users do, so please review them.
      - deepVoid 7y ago
        which guideline says that a comment should be substantive? Could you please point it out?
        dang 7y ago
        I'm surprised we don't get that question more often. The answer is that if you follow the site guidelines, your comments will automatically get more substantive. For example, if one takes the name-calling ("Musk fanboys") and weak-interpreting (of cars on the road) out of your comment upthread, there would be nothing left of it. If there's a more specific guideline we could add that would cover any patches of unsubstantiveness that we currently miss, I'd love to know about it. The HN guidelines aren't a blacklist in which anything not listed counts as fair game. It would be foolish to try to make such a list, plus how tedious—and it would only invite trolls to drive trucks through loopholes. Instead, you need to read them more as a sketch of a certain intention, and then take that intention to heart. Doing that is what makes a good HN commenter, not conforming to a contract adversarially. HN is a spirit-of-the-law, not a letter-of-the-law kind of place. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7606756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7606756 from 5 years ago.
WheelsAtLarge 7y ago
Not even a little, it's wishful thinking. No city is going to want a bunch of autonomous vehicles without proof that they won't be a danger to its people and traffic system. Imagine what will happen when Teslas start hitting people or start to stall traffic because they can't handle the situation. And that's just two variables of many that still need to be solved. Also, Musk likes to make predictions on time but he has yet to meet any of his predictions in terms of time. He reminds me of a boss I once had that liked to predict how much time a project would take yet he had no concept of the true time. He would promise a project for a certain time and we would look like jerks because we could not meet it. Eventually, we all got fired because the IT department was ineffective. It might happen but not in 2 years. My guess is that we won't start to see auto autonomy until 2024. It's my guess but I bet mine is better than his.
DeonPenny 7y ago
I doubt a million but someone will allow it. I think they easily have the best solution and its going to take years before car manufactures put sensors suites in cars that would allow them to gather data to even get the navigate on autopilot level. Waymo with lidar might have a chance, but the more I see the more people who've tried lidar says the pure computational is much better than the hybrid approach. Lidar only gives depth and it very error-prone. It's easy though because it requires no data to actually do depth preception but its messy.

deepVoid 7y ago

There are many Musk fanboys out there. Just take a look at the Tesla cars on the road.

omarchowdhury 7y ago
Is buying a Tesla synonymous with being a Musk fanboy?
- willio58 7y ago
  No, it isn’t.
  - HNLurker2 7y ago
    He is famous beyond need for introduction. I am confident to say that even the 5% percentile of extreme fanboyism is huge because his sheer amount of following.
dang 7y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?
- deepVoid 7y ago
  Could you please stop harassing people about their exercising freedom of speech? Does every comment need to be substantiated? Why don't you tell your government to stop smearing Huawei?
  - dang 7y ago
    Substantive != substantiated. It just means a comment should contain a bit more thought and information. Freedom of speech on HN is subject to the site guidelines, which are at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. That's for much the same reason that freedom of fire is limited in national parks. If you want to comment here, you need to follow the rules the same as other users do, so please review them.
    - deepVoid 7y ago
      which guideline says that a comment should be substantive? Could you please point it out?
      - dang 7y ago
        I'm surprised we don't get that question more often. The answer is that if you follow the site guidelines, your comments will automatically get more substantive. For example, if one takes the name-calling ("Musk fanboys") and weak-interpreting (of cars on the road) out of your comment upthread, there would be nothing left of it. If there's a more specific guideline we could add that would cover any patches of unsubstantiveness that we currently miss, I'd love to know about it. The HN guidelines aren't a blacklist in which anything not listed counts as fair game. It would be foolish to try to make such a list, plus how tedious—and it would only invite trolls to drive trucks through loopholes. Instead, you need to read them more as a sketch of a certain intention, and then take that intention to heart. Doing that is what makes a good HN commenter, not conforming to a contract adversarially. HN is a spirit-of-the-law, not a letter-of-the-law kind of place. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7606756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7606756 from 5 years ago.

WheelsAtLarge 7y ago

Not even a little, it's wishful thinking. No city is going to want a bunch of autonomous vehicles without proof that they won't be a danger to its people and traffic system. Imagine what will happen when Teslas start hitting people or start to stall traffic because they can't handle the situation. And that's just two variables of many that still need to be solved. Also, Musk likes to make predictions on time but he has yet to meet any of his predictions in terms of time. He reminds me of a boss I once had that liked to predict how much time a project would take yet he had no concept of the true time. He would promise a project for a certain time and we would look like jerks because we could not meet it. Eventually, we all got fired because the IT department was ineffective. It might happen but not in 2 years. My guess is that we won't start to see auto autonomy until 2024. It's my guess but I bet mine is better than his.

DeonPenny 7y ago

I doubt a million but someone will allow it. I think they easily have the best solution and its going to take years before car manufactures put sensors suites in cars that would allow them to gather data to even get the navigate on autopilot level. Waymo with lidar might have a chance, but the more I see the more people who've tried lidar says the pure computational is much better than the hybrid approach. Lidar only gives depth and it very error-prone. It's easy though because it requires no data to actually do depth preception but its messy.