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From the presentation they mention that Lidar is good at developing tech demos quickly, but they've found it is insufficient in reality. Which of those 10 compa
by trixie_ 8y ago
From the presentation they mention that Lidar is good at developing tech demos quickly, but they've found it is insufficient in reality. Which of those 10 companies you reference have moved far beyond tech demos?
- RivieraKid 8y agoWaymo operates the first autonomous taxi service in Phoenix with plans to expand geographically, no info about the others.
- slg 8y agoPhoenix basically provides perfect conditions for self driving cars. There is very little precipitation. It gets more daylight and sunlight than any other major city in the US. There is little to no vehicle endangering wildlife. The city was mostly designed post-cars meaning there are lots of big newish straight roads and there isn't much pedestrian culture. To put it simply there is a lot of "reality" that exists in other markets that isn't very present in Phoenix. I'm not saying Waymo can't handle it, but there is a pretty big difference between being able to handle Phoenix and its suburbs compared to Boston and its suburbs for example.
- mrep 8y agoIs tesla able to perform at Waymos level in phoenix because I would expect them to be showing that off if they could? Let's be real, there has got to be some teslas with autopilot in Phoenix and the fact that they aren't trying to upshow Waymo with their Phoenix autopilot stats shows they cannot beat Waymo.
- slg 8y agoAutopilot isn't trying to compete with Waymo and therefore any comparison there is irrelevant. Tesla hasn't rolled out FSD publicly so it is unclear whether Tesla would have any data about it performs in Phoenix.
- mrep 8y ago> Autopilot isn't trying to compete with Waymo and therefore any comparison there is irrelevant So their autopilot sensors, disengagement data, and algorithms from their autopilot cars aren't being used at all for their FSD program whatsoever? > Tesla hasn't rolled out FSD publicly so it is unclear whether Tesla would have any data about it performs in Phoenix. Isn't that because they are using their autopilot program + the people who upgraded to the FSD tech sensors to train their FSD tech under the previously mentioned autopilot program?
- slg 8y agoYes that data is used to train the FSD tech, but that doesn’t mean Tesla has FSD stats that are would mean anything in comparison to Waymo. This is neither a positive or negative sign for either company, they are just approaching things differently and therefore they can’t be judged against each other easily.
- rayiner 8y agoNote that currently Tesla’s “autopilot” doesn’t even beat Toyota’s and Subaru’s adaptive cruise control: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a24511826/safety-features-automatic-braking-system-tested-explained/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a24511826/safety-featu... You can’t even mention Tesla in the same breath as Waymo.
- slg 8y agoThat article is judging AEB which is a safety feature that comes free on Teslas and isn't a part of the Autopilot system. It would obviously instill more confidence if Teslas performed better, but this isn't a measure of the company's Autopilot or FSD capabilities since it is entirely possible that AEB is a completely independent system.
- rayiner 8y agoAEB is allegedly built on the same vision system: https://electrek.co/2017/04/25/tesla-automatic-emergency-braking-autopilot-2-0-hardware/ https://electrek.co/2017/04/25/tesla-automatic-emergency-bra... > But the system still wasn’t at feature parity with the first generation Autopilot, primarily because of the lack of Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) feature. Electrek has now learned that the important feature is going to be released this week. > As we reported during the release of the 8.1 update, AEB has been a high priority feature for Tesla, but due to the nature of the safety feature, the company needs to make sure to get the false positive rate as low as possible in order to implement it safely. > Unlike with the first generation Autopilot, Tesla has to build the feature from the ground up using its own ‘Tesla Vision’ technology and the new sensor suite.
- slg 8y agoYou are linking to an article describing the 2nd hardware version. They have since released version 2.5 and today’s demo was about version 3.0 which is in current production cars.
- MPSimmons 8y agoMy Tesla has gotten immensely better in the past few months. The release of the version 9 (https://www.tesla.com/support/software-v9 https://www.tesla.com/support/software-v9) was revolutionary. I would love to see the same test repeated with current software (and then again, once AP HW3 is released)
- tomjakubowski 8y ago> It gets more daylight and sunlight than any other major city in the US. I think every place on Earth gets just about the same amount, ~182.5 days, of daylight in a year, right? (Not accounting for solar eclipses, or that the earth's spin is slowing) Phoenix having relatively sunny and dry weather is a point taken though.
- slg 8y agoI phrased poorly. Daylight does vary by location, but that wasn’t specifically the point. Phoenix combines one of the sunniest cities in the country with an average day length that is near the most ideal for the average workday due to geography and no DST. If you work 8am-5pm, your commute will be in daylight for the entire year.
- RivieraKid 8y agoSome of the rides are unsupervised and they can handle night just fine.
- natch 8y agoLimited routes, geofenced, not truly autonomous, mows down pedestrians even with a supervisory driver.
- foobiekr 8y agoI would suggest that the ultimate quick-to-impressive-demo technology of all is deep learning and that as of yet it has proven insufficient.