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I watch Tesla fairly closely from both the bull and bear sides. In short, I don't believe Tesla is anywhere close to Waymo. They won't achieve FSD in 2020. It'

I watch Tesla fairly closely from both the bull and bear sides. In short, I don't believe Tesla is anywhere close to Waymo. They won't achieve FSD in 2020. It's important to see this event in the context of their significant demand and cash problems. Even enthusiastic Tesla investors like Galileo Russell suggested that Tesla is in a cash crunch and should raise money. Which hints at the main mystery about Tesla, why haven't they raised money yet? Take a moment and think about why are they doing this event now. Elon is setting a stage for a capital raise, he's pitching the autonomy narrative after the Model 3 cash cow narrative failed. They're trying to convince investors (and customers) to give them money because money-printing autonomous taxi service is coming next year. Also, think about why basically everyone except Tesla uses Lidars. Is it because they're stupid or because Tesla cannot use Lidars even if they wanted to? P.S.: Nvidia issued a statement saying that Tesla's claims about their chip are incorrect: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvidia-says-tesla-inaccurate-in-self-driving-comparison-2019-04-22 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nvidia-says-tesla-inaccura... Edit: In 2012, Waymo reached the milestone of handling 8 100-mile routes, specifically chosen to capture the full complexity of driving. I doubt Tesla is currently at that level. Source: https://events.technologyreview.com/video/watch/dmitri-dolgov-waymo-autonomous-cars/ https://events.technologyreview.com/video/watch/dmitri-dolgo...

hi5eyes 8y ago
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-musk-panasonic-20190422-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-musk-panason... the fact that suppliers don't like them has been a red flag for a while now bulls and dreamers don't want to pay any attention to the very imminent problems with tesla's financials and furthermore tesla's executive record there's a very good reason bears refer to him as fraudboy but watching him scam taxpayers/unfortunately gullible people/govt (my fav ex. battery swap zev credits) while people fan over him and his company is pretty amazing also the list of lawsuits...
eanzenberg 8y ago
2020? Try 2040.
antpls 8y ago
If I were a billionaire and I wanted to change the world, I would put pressure on existing companies by creating a competing company and pretending extraordinary achievements. Truth or not, failure or not, Musk moves forward the hopes and expectations, and I'm thankful just for that. I don't see how we can blame him for taking position
- Traster 8y ago
  What you're describing is securities fraud.
  - Robotbeat 8y ago
    Saying what your future goals are, while clearly and repeatedly reminding people of your past history of being late on those goals, is the opposite of fraud.
- computerex 8y ago
  Wow. This sums up the incredible attitude of some Musk followers. And I say follower because it is literally like a cult. To this individual, Musk can do no wrong.
lnanek2 8y ago
Tesla needs to use Lidars too and frequently crashes into things Lidars would save them from (white trucks that loook like the sky, etc.). Unfortunately, Tesla promised that the cars they were shipping had all the equipment needed for self driving, so they can't say that publicly. Lidars would also bump up their cost by thousands, resulting in fewer sales.
- Gys 8y ago
  You clearly did not watch the video stream
dblotsky 8y ago
Aside from the timing of this event, why else are you convinced that Tesla is nowhere close to Waymo?

hi5eyes 8y ago

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-musk-panasonic-20190422-story.html https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-musk-panason... the fact that suppliers don't like them has been a red flag for a while now bulls and dreamers don't want to pay any attention to the very imminent problems with tesla's financials and furthermore tesla's executive record there's a very good reason bears refer to him as fraudboy but watching him scam taxpayers/unfortunately gullible people/govt (my fav ex. battery swap zev credits) while people fan over him and his company is pretty amazing also the list of lawsuits...

eanzenberg 8y ago

2020? Try 2040.

antpls 8y ago

If I were a billionaire and I wanted to change the world, I would put pressure on existing companies by creating a competing company and pretending extraordinary achievements. Truth or not, failure or not, Musk moves forward the hopes and expectations, and I'm thankful just for that. I don't see how we can blame him for taking position

Traster 8y ago
What you're describing is securities fraud.
- Robotbeat 8y ago
  Saying what your future goals are, while clearly and repeatedly reminding people of your past history of being late on those goals, is the opposite of fraud.
computerex 8y ago
Wow. This sums up the incredible attitude of some Musk followers. And I say follower because it is literally like a cult. To this individual, Musk can do no wrong.

lnanek2 8y ago

Tesla needs to use Lidars too and frequently crashes into things Lidars would save them from (white trucks that loook like the sky, etc.). Unfortunately, Tesla promised that the cars they were shipping had all the equipment needed for self driving, so they can't say that publicly. Lidars would also bump up their cost by thousands, resulting in fewer sales.

Gys 8y ago
You clearly did not watch the video stream

dblotsky 8y ago

Aside from the timing of this event, why else are you convinced that Tesla is nowhere close to Waymo?