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And would you drive if snow covered your windscreen? Or would you clean it? Which is obviously possible for cameras too.
by oska 8y ago
And would you drive if snow covered your windscreen? Or would you clean it? Which is obviously possible for cameras too.
- jsharf 8y agoThe windscreen has wipers, on the Tesla model 3, I don't think all the sensors have wipers... so that's an issue.
- oska 8y agoYes, we implemented simple physical solutions such as wipers and window heaters in cars to maintain vision for drivers. What we didn't do was implement lidar to aid human drivers. Simple physical solutions are available if necessary for the cameras too. I don't have a tesla so I don't know what measures they use to keep the cameras clean but I'm sure they've thought about it and designed for it.
- pwinnski 8y agoGreat-grandparent comment suggests that they did not, in fact, design for it. Assuming the best is nice when you have no information, but we have information.
- oska 8y agoI'm not assuming the best, I'm assuming basics. We've just watched a presentation where Tesla put immense resources and talent into designing a state of the art vision processing chip. Do you think they're going to let it be rendered useless by not implementing simple physical measures to keep vision coming in from the cameras? (What measures are already there plus easy opportunity for improvement). Of course not. Such a line of argumentation is transparently bogus. I don't know why the top level commenter's autopilot turned off in the snow but trying to argue that that shows that snow renders cameras useless and makes lidar necessary is stupid. Sorry for the strong language but really, I don't know how else to put it.
- greedo 8y agoThe basics. Like having a trunk lid design that sheds water properly? https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/water-dripping-into-the-trunk-from-the-rear-glass.112811/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/water-dripping-into-...
- s_y_n_t_a_x 8y agoShut down the company the trunk is slightly off. Tesla is new to the game, give them a few more cars to catch small stuff like that.
- greedo 8y agoTesla has been around for 16 years, so I think it's not too critical to expect them to be able to sweat the small stuff.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago16 years is a tiny fraction compared to the other car companies you're comparing it to. But ask yourself, what's more likely, the other car companies catch up to their AI and battery tech, or Tesla fixes the trunk in the next model?
- ClassyJacket 8y agoI have seen recent Teslas in person in the showrooms, and there doesn't appear to be any wiper for the cameras. Especially with a firsthand owner account just a few comments up I think it's actually only logical at this point to assume they didn't put wipers on the cameras.
- oska 8y agoI would think that heating the glass (and surrounding casing) would be a more effective measure for keeping a camera clear of snow.
- Animats 8y agoIt's not that hard. In our 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge vehicle, we had a system to clean the camera and LIDAR. It used a spray nozzle, and alternated spraying windshield cleaner and air. This is a commercial truck accessory used on mining trucks.