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Hmmm so then why is Tesla ranked last for autonomous driving by third party researchers? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiR7KHlq-ThAh

Hmmm so then why is Tesla ranked last for autonomous driving by third party researchers? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiR7KHlq-ThAhUPHzQIHYU2DqEQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.com%2Felon-musks-tesla-surprisingly-fails-lead-autonomous-driving-technology-2786913&psig=AOvVaw1gWIsj1jFDhjHpGWy2DVii&ust=1556044547357367 https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiR... And Elon has a long history of making false claims about Tesla’s progress. For example in 2015 and 2016 he claimed that Teslas would be fully self-driving by 2018. So why shouldn’t we be skeptical? https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/teslas-self-driving-strategy-is-outdated-and-possibly-dangerous/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/teslas-self-driving-str...

ryanlol 7y ago
Some big time source laundering going on in here, https://electrek.co/2019/04/19/tesla-falls-autonomous-driving-most-trusted-consumers/ https://electrek.co/2019/04/19/tesla-falls-autonomous-drivin... Your "third party research" is obviously bullshit, they go as far as including Apple in their ranking. This right here is just typical worthless marketing press release spam from a management consultancy firm.
DeonPenny 7y ago
But Navigant curriculum was very unscientific. There no actual quantitive reason Tesla is worse. Is was based mainly on business factors like go-to market strategy and vision.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  As opposed to the "scientific", "quantitative" reasoning behind Tesla being the leaders in FSD?
  - DeonPenny 7y ago
    Yes absolutely saying Tesla who gets camera data from it's a half million car doesn't give it an advantage is crazy. That not even including the fact it's the only company who can do its strategy. Google would need to get constant data and GM and legacy automakers would need sensor suites on all it's cars yesterday. No one knows if Tesla strategy will work because they don't have the data collection in place.
    - dforrestwilson 7y ago
      Neither does Tesla which makes it a moot point. They have no way to store or transmit the massive data you are describing off the platform do they? My understanding is that they have very limited storage and transmit onboard.
      - DeonPenny 7y ago
        Based on their talk today and Andrew previous talk where he shows explicitly tools that do just that download data constantly is exactly what they do. https://vimeo.com/274274744 https://vimeo.com/274274744 I mean saying a phone can upload videos to youtube but a can can't to tesla is a weird ledge to stand on. Even their windshield wipers work based on sending video data to tesla to be learned on.
whamlastxmas 7y ago
What other major manufacturer has anything close to Tesla's autopilot in a car I can buy today? As far as I know, no one.
- leesec 7y ago
  Only really GM with Supercruise on one of their cars, the CT6. And it is not advanced as Autopilot.
jerska 7y ago
The first article you link to sources another article as its source, which itself calls bullshit on the ranking. Your link: > According to Electrek, Tesla trails behind other companies in terms of autonomous driving tech based on a list created by Navigant Research, an independent research firm. Electrek’s article: > Electrek’s Take > I think Navigant’s autonomous leaderboard is ridiculous. There are way too many brands that keep most of their development under wraps, which makes it hard to evaluate them and therefore, it gives very little value to a leaderboard like this in my opinion.
- dforrestwilson 7y ago
  What is your point? Electrek is not exactly unbiased. It's literally called EV and Tesla news. Fanboi site's opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Here's the Navigant executive summary directly: https://www.navigantresearch.com/reports/navigant-research-leaderboard-report-automated-driving https://www.navigantresearch.com/reports/navigant-research-l...

ryanlol 7y ago

Some big time source laundering going on in here, https://electrek.co/2019/04/19/tesla-falls-autonomous-driving-most-trusted-consumers/ https://electrek.co/2019/04/19/tesla-falls-autonomous-drivin... Your "third party research" is obviously bullshit, they go as far as including Apple in their ranking. This right here is just typical worthless marketing press release spam from a management consultancy firm.

DeonPenny 7y ago

But Navigant curriculum was very unscientific. There no actual quantitive reason Tesla is worse. Is was based mainly on business factors like go-to market strategy and vision.

navigatesol 7y ago
As opposed to the "scientific", "quantitative" reasoning behind Tesla being the leaders in FSD?
- DeonPenny 7y ago
  Yes absolutely saying Tesla who gets camera data from it's a half million car doesn't give it an advantage is crazy. That not even including the fact it's the only company who can do its strategy. Google would need to get constant data and GM and legacy automakers would need sensor suites on all it's cars yesterday. No one knows if Tesla strategy will work because they don't have the data collection in place.
  - dforrestwilson 7y ago
    Neither does Tesla which makes it a moot point. They have no way to store or transmit the massive data you are describing off the platform do they? My understanding is that they have very limited storage and transmit onboard.
    - DeonPenny 7y ago
      Based on their talk today and Andrew previous talk where he shows explicitly tools that do just that download data constantly is exactly what they do. https://vimeo.com/274274744 https://vimeo.com/274274744 I mean saying a phone can upload videos to youtube but a can can't to tesla is a weird ledge to stand on. Even their windshield wipers work based on sending video data to tesla to be learned on.

whamlastxmas 7y ago

What other major manufacturer has anything close to Tesla's autopilot in a car I can buy today? As far as I know, no one.

leesec 7y ago
Only really GM with Supercruise on one of their cars, the CT6. And it is not advanced as Autopilot.

jerska 7y ago

The first article you link to sources another article as its source, which itself calls bullshit on the ranking. Your link: > According to Electrek, Tesla trails behind other companies in terms of autonomous driving tech based on a list created by Navigant Research, an independent research firm. Electrek’s article: > Electrek’s Take > I think Navigant’s autonomous leaderboard is ridiculous. There are way too many brands that keep most of their development under wraps, which makes it hard to evaluate them and therefore, it gives very little value to a leaderboard like this in my opinion.

dforrestwilson 7y ago
What is your point? Electrek is not exactly unbiased. It's literally called EV and Tesla news. Fanboi site's opinion should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Here's the Navigant executive summary directly: https://www.navigantresearch.com/reports/navigant-research-leaderboard-report-automated-driving https://www.navigantresearch.com/reports/navigant-research-l...